[Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Nick Papoylias
*Hallo to all, * I am starting my Ph.D on 'languages and environments for autonomous robotics' -- and pharo will be a huge part of it. I am currently playing around with the system (to get the feel of it..) and testing it's programming tools in the context of different namespaces / environments.

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Nick, Stef and I worked on an implementation a few years ago. http://www.squeaksource.com/Namespace.html Cheers, Alexandre On 11 Oct 2010, at 07:53, Nick Papoylias wrote: > Hallo to all, > > I am starting my Ph.D on 'languages and environments for autonomous robotics' > -- and pharo will

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Igor Stasenko
Also, i remember someone presented the namespaces implementation during last ESUG conference. Its fresh, and probably will run on pharo. But i don't remember who did this. On 11 October 2010 16:10, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi Nick, > > Stef and I worked on an implementation a few years ago. > ht

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Simon Denier
On 11 oct. 2010, at 15:17, Igor Stasenko wrote: > Also, i remember someone presented the namespaces implementation > during last ESUG conference. Its fresh, and probably will run on pharo. > But i don't remember who did this. Here you go, it's a GSOC project, video included: Begin forwarded m

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> > > Stef and I worked on an implementation a few years ago. > http://www.squeaksource.com/Namespace.html And it is a bad one :) Now we are working on making the system environment-aware so that we can browse part of the system, (remotely too with you). Stef > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > O

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
We already integrated the fixes for the systemOrganization he did. More is needed. Stef On Oct 11, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Simon Denier wrote: > > On 11 oct. 2010, at 15:17, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> Also, i remember someone presented the namespaces implementation >> during last ESUG conference. Its

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Simon Denier [simon.den...@inria.fr] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:23 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ? On 11 oct. 2010, at 15:17, Igor Stasenko

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 11 October 2010 16:59, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > I'm glad to see that it works like class names (at least effectively) as > messages to environments than a clone of Java syntax that I saw elsewhere.   > On the completely pragmatic level, it will make more obvious the fact that > our browser s

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
.. namespaces in the system level ? On 11 October 2010 16:59, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > I'm glad to see that it works like class names (at least effectively) as > messages to environments than a clone of Java syntax that I saw elsewhere. > On the completely pragmatic level, it

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Nick Papoylias
es that > would not be necessary if we had namespaces :) > > > > From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Simon Denier [ > simon.den...@inria.fr] > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:23 AM > To: Pharo-project@

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ? Ok, first of all thank you all ! It' s definetely a nice welcome for me, from the list. Let me point out one things or two though: It whould be nice to have PEPs (Ph

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi guys there is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between (1) namespace at the language level and we do not want that the way german did it. Give us some times and we will try different solutions and see what come out (2) systemDictionary at the infrastructure level. We are

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> > For example there currently exist a setter in the class side for 'migratting' > in a new environment, that just alters the class knowledge about the new > namespace and does not erase it's record from the old namespace. where? > Is this intented ? What is the underlying design ? Should we

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Serge Stinckwich
2010/10/11 Nick Papoylias : > Hallo to all, > > I am starting my Ph.D on 'languages and environments for autonomous > robotics' -- and pharo will be a huge part of it. Hi Nick, Great to see that another guy will work in the domain of embedded systems&autonomous robots with Smalltalk ! I already

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Nick Papoylias
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > > For example there currently exist a setter in the class side for > 'migratting' in a new environment, that just alters the class knowledge > about the new namespace and does not erase it's record from the old > namespace. > where? >

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Nick Papoylias
I am currently concerned with remote programming (debugger, browser, compiler e.t.c) in Pharo from one image (or environment) to another, so that this infrastructure can be used in the field of autonomous robotics to ease the development cycle. So we should definitely exchange ideas ! Cause there

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
oject-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Nick Papoylias [npapoyl...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:43 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ? I am currently concerned with remote programming (debugge

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread James Foster
On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > there is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between > (1) namespace at the language level and we do not want that the way > german did it. Stéphane, Are you suggesting that the approach Germán Leiva demonstrated at ESUG last

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Oct 11, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Nick Papoylias wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Stéphane Ducasse > wrote: > > > > For example there currently exist a setter in the class side for > > 'migratting' in a new environment, that just alters the class knowledge > > about the new namespac

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
ct-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Nick Papoylias > [npapoyl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:43 AM > To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level > ? > > I am curre

Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?

2010-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:02 PM, James Foster wrote: > > On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> there is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between >> (1) namespace at the language level and we do not want that the way >> german did it. > > Stéphane, > > Are you