Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-20 Thread Ben Coman
Hi Richard, There has been a request to stop this thread, which I agree with is not productive, but you obviously put a lot of consideration into your last post, so I will do you the curtesy of a reply - but this will be my last comment on this thread. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 5:04 AM, horrido

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-20 Thread Alain Rastoul
Le 21/01/2015 00:38, horrido a écrit : Well, I've already apologized. You are right, I was oblivious to extra-cultural thinking, to which I plead ignorance. Now that I know better, I shall do better. Please remember, I'm a volunteer. I stepped up when no one else would. Am I the best man for

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-20 Thread horrido
Well, I've already apologized. You are right, I was oblivious to extra-cultural thinking, to which I plead ignorance. Now that I know better, I shall do better. Please remember, I'm a volunteer. I stepped up when no one else would. Am I the best man for the job? Probably not, *but who is??* I

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Aliaksei Syrel
I bought more popcorn when I read in one of the articles http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/: *30 years programming in* FORTRAN, C/C++/*C#*/Objective-C, Java, Python

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Marcus Denker
On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido horrido.hobb...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship: First of all, Generalissimo is just a handle. My previous handle, horrido, was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Marcus Denker
On 18 Jan 2015, at 19:37, Sebastian Sastre sebast...@flowingconcept.com wrote: Please don’t take it as self-censorship but as strategy on communication. It’s fine that you have a taste for history but you need to calculate the way you make rapport (or not) with your audience and don’t

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Johan Fabry
I must be old and jaded, or living like a recluse, because I don’t recall anything special beyond an article in Medium, the link to it in ycombinator, and a couple of posts on wordpress . Could you help me out and point me the rest? TIA. On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:56, horrido

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
This might be a robot, with all his weird handles, and strange talk, we have had some trouble with robots trolling the lists. Then again, he violates the first law of robotics, 'A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm', so he must be

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Luc Fabresse
2015-01-19 17:48 GMT+01:00 jtuc...@objektfabrik.de jtuc...@objektfabrik.de : Maybe you can share some facts before you say things like I achieved more in a few weeks than ESUG achieved in years. I'd be curious to see what you are talking about and I guess I am not alone. sure, I am curious

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Johan Fabry
Hehe … good joke. But seriously, I would like to know what I missed. On Jan 19, 2015, at 17:33, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: What does the wife of a public relations expert do when she has insomnia? She rolls over and says, “Tell me again, darling, just what is it that you

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
I think this whole discussion is about te get completely out of control. Anyone who wants to help promote Smalltalk in the IT world is welcome - whether he or she has been in the Community for ages or came to it just the other day. Richard has been doing Smalltalk for quite a few years now, so

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 19 Jan 2015, at 20:00, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de jtuc...@objektfabrik.de wrote: Sven, I got Richard’s message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full post… I did read it, it was well written and I agree with what you said. But you were too polite, you give

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread jtuchel
Sven, I got Richard’s message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full post… Joachim Von: Sven Van Caekenberghe Gesendet: ‎Montag‎, ‎19‎. ‎Januar‎ ‎2015 ‎19‎:‎17 An: Any question about pharo is welcome On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de wrote: All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread horrido
There is much to respond to here. First of all, I was NOT putting down ESUG or Smalltalk Foundation. I was simply pointing out that, despite their promotional efforts, Smalltalk has slipped out of the public consciousness, as evidenced by language rankings and coverage in the IT press, as well as

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
Sven, I got Richard’s message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full post… I did read it, it was well written and I agree with what you said. Thanks. But you were too polite, you give him the benefit of the doubt. No, I asked for proof. Too polite? Well, not

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread stepharo
Le 19/1/15 14:14, Marcus Denker a écrit : On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido horrido.hobb...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship: First of all, Generalissimo is just a handle. My previous handle, horrido, was surely objectionable as well,

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-19 Thread bsselfri...@gmail.com
Steph, I completely agree. This type of hyperbole makes the casual observer think that the Smalltalk community can come off as petty. We're better than this. We should ALL have the goal of promoting Smalltalk. I know that a lot of you have and I applaud all of you for your efforts. The more the

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread jtuchel
Horrido, You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread Sebastian Sastre
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way. On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM,

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread Jimmie Houchin
As an USAmerican, I would not have associated Generalissimo with WWII. It is a common term for a leader in many Hispanic nations or armies. Many of them unfortunately are dictators. I also not being a WWII buff, was not familiar with horrido. It meant nothing to me and I didn't look. It was

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread Jimmie Houchin
I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest. However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread horrido
You make some valid points. I shall reconsider my position. However, the articles I write, such as The Smalltalk Revolution and Dart is Dead, as well as my stream of consciousness blog at Tumblr, must remain true to my style. Artistically, I have no choice. I'd like to make one further note: the

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread Jimmie Houchin
Personally I think that there need to be people who expert and knowledgeable of WWII. You are not a bad guy for loving history. I believe we must understand history in order to not repeat its mistakes. However as an American I have no understanding of how those in Europe feel about some of

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread Sebastian Sastre
Please don’t take it as self-censorship but as strategy on communication. It’s fine that you have a taste for history but you need to calculate the way you make rapport (or not) with your audience and don’t let it interfere too much with your message. I don’t feel your inner sophisticated

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-18 Thread horrido
Excellent advice! I shall do exactly that. Again, I apologize if anyone was offended by my use of the world blitzkrieg. I was trying to be clever and it obviously backfired on me. My love of WWII history should not paint me as a bad guy. To be honest, I had no idea that modern Germans still feel

[Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

2015-01-17 Thread horrido
http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ *Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us. Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the