[Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

Some of you may already be aware of my presentation at *Smalltalks 2018*, the outcome of which was full funding for my Smalltalk programming competition. See My Keynote at the Salta Conference . Three years ago, David Buck pro

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A good way to do this is to align it with Advent of Code 2018. AoC is actually full of interesting challenges and one can do private leaderboards. This will also put Pharo on the AoC map/subreddit where challenges are discussed. Phil On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 15:29 Richard Kenneth Eng Some of you

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That doesn't work for me. First of all, my programming competition has a strong marketing component. I cannot see how to market Smalltalk effectively through AoC. My Salta keynote made this very clear. AoC is unfocussed. It's not language-specific. It's basically all over the place. Second, I env

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Not even a single nibble? Doesn't anyone care about promoting Pharo? What a colossal lost opportunity! On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 09:29, Richard Kenneth Eng wrote: > Some of you may already be aware of my presentation at *Smalltalks 2018*, > the outcome of which was full funding for my Smalltalk p

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Hi Richard, So the that we gave you is now “lost"? Perhaps people didn’t understand what you expected from us other than money. What else is needed to make your project a success? We are supposed to “code the competition” as well? Anything else? Is this practice of insulting people (“Does

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On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 09:29, Richard Kenneth Eng > wrote: > >> Some of you may already be aware of my presentation at *Smalltalks 2018*, >> the outcome of which was full funding for my Smalltalk programming >> competition. See My Keynote at the Salta Conference >>

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No, the money isn't lost. I was merely suggesting that without some help, the marketing opportunity for this competition would be lost. I'm not sure you understand how much work is involved in this project. I will be doing a great deal of the heavy lifting. I have to setup the competition website

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--- Begin Message --- OK, I'll bite. What does "code the competition" mean exactly? I last used Smalltalk "in anger" pre-pharo with squeak. I live ST and am looking for a way back "in" but TBH the changes from Squeak are vast and I have too many ideas to work on and keep hitting walls. I'm in

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Basically, implementing what was outlined in David Buck's document (attached to the original post). It may involve hacking the VM to count byte codes. SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote > OK, I'll

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I apologize for my premature reaction. I've observed that posts can get lost or forgotten after a week or two amidst many other posts. I was a bit nervous. My attempt at a "reminder" was clumsy. Ben Coman wrote > Getting no takers within a few days doesn't mean the end of the line. > It means th

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It feels to me that the money came unexpectedly and your plan was just a loosely defined idea. Appealing to money or competition to youngsters in a pop culture is a waste of money, Go to "pop tech" conferences and see what people value and praise. It's never money. And yes, there are hackatons th

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>From the very start of my advocacy four years ago, it has always been about marketing. It has always been about reaching out to as many people as possible to raise public awareness. I cannot be sure, but I believe I've reached out to more than 100,000 people around the world who did not previously

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--- Begin Message --- Please keep in mind that I take the time to write this because I'd like you to succeed. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 21:13, horrido wrote: > From the very start of my advocacy four years ago, it has always been about > marketing. It has always been about reaching out to as many p

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Richard, Please apologize if my reply was too harsh and without anesthesia. I'm happy a private company/person decided to fund this, I was there and applauded it then and I still celebrate it, I really hope it does good. What I'm skeptical about is about the return of this, and its effectiveness

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--- Begin Message --- OK, sorry. I missed that. Now I've read it. And it requires a customized VM that can count bytecodes executed against a budget and terminate execution if the budget is exceeded. For the developer it requires an awareness of the relationship between bytecodes and source co

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Thank you for your well-considered responses. I appreciate them. As I said in the original post, I am open to an alternative approach to the competition. The current approach may be problematic, I don't know. I still want a five-round four-person team event. I want to stretch this out for maximum

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David Buck provided a revision on his proposal: I agree with tossing the VM hack - it's not worth it. An objective score is best and I would prefer not to score based on number of classes, number of methods or method size. The score should be simply the highest total of captured cells in the gam

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Hi, Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when reaching to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach closer to anthropology instead of marketing). Many of us value your contributions, despite of ap

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On 23/11/18 19:06, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. > > Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when > reaching to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach > closer to anthropology ins

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All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any rate, my competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving forward with it. Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find time to code the competition. However, progress will be slow be

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On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:54 AM horrido wrote: > All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any rate, > my > competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving > forward with it. > > Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find tim

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On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 10:27 Mariano Martinez Peck > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:54 AM horrido wrote: > >> All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any >> rate, my >> competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving >> forward with it. >> >> Since nobod

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Yes, as I told that would be a big deviation from the vision, but also a way to bridge it with the community. Anyway making a pretty localized competition in a Smalltalk variant for a particular population of a specific country is also a way to promote Smalltalk and after done it will bring lessons

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Indeed, Lorenzo Schiavina has expressed interest in modelling a similar competition in Italy with my competition material! This was the vision I had three years ago. Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote > Yes, as I told that would be a big deviation from the vision, but also a > way to bridge i

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Of course, that's my preference, too, but I have to take whatever I can get. I'm working against the clock and I need the very best help I can find. And, yes, the most important consideration is success. The basic philosophy I work with is this: A rising tide lifts all boats. Richard Sargent wr

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Well the important thing is that conversations like this are happening and we, as a community are thinking in alternative ways to promote Smalltalk, and scale such promotion, being by copying your vision, one country at the time, to by using alternative ways. I think these are important conversati