I always wondered what the Frick trick was, but I get the feeling it was not
worth buying.
I remember Karl Frick used to advertise something that he said stopped
reproducer theft. I always wondered what that was.
Dave
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Some of us are just smarter than the rest, I would have never thought of that.
Steve
For the Edison Standard on display at our local museum, I used a very short
5-40 allen head set screw. This was placed in the carriage and tightened
down before the real reproducer set screw was put
with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the
horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link:
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/
John Robles
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Shawn,
I always thought it was 1902 to 1904, but it was actually 1901 to 1904 I
appreciate Allen letting us know the month. I examined one of the records I
have from 1904 and it appears to be just as thin. I probably have at least 20
of these, the ribs are very thick.
I have also noted
Hello Shawn,
I believe you are talking about the early ones made in 1901 in the 7000 range.
I have a NOS one it its original 1901 box, the record and the box both look
new, unfortunately the record is cracked. From what I have read Edison began
to mold records in 1901 and stocked up for
I forgot to add you can tell when the record was made from the box if you are
fortunate to have the original one. As most people know some records started
out as brown and can be found in all record variations if they remained in the
catalog long enough.
The early ones with no titles do
, Steven Medved wrote:
Hello Shawn,
I believe you are talking about the early ones made in 1901 in the
7000 range. I have a NOS one it its original 1901 box, the record
and the box both look new, unfortunately the record is cracked.
From what I have read Edison began to mold
Dan,
You are correct and thanks for answering my question.
Steve
I think that's exactly what this is. See the No.7 wood horn on Type 48, at
this site: http://www.keithwright.ca/CAPP/Vitaphone/vitaphone.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-RECORDER-REPRODUCER-T-NOS-BOX-191370-/190459275323
If you want one with the stylus holder attached
http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-RECORDER-REPRODUCER-H-NOS-BOX-321772-/380281354352
That Edison business reproducer for a Christmas gift
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The Berlin Phonograph Works:
The new Spooky Self-Illuminating Cylinder Record that glows in the dark! Simply
use bright electric light (e.g. 60W lamp) or direct sunlight to expose the
cylinder for about 30 seconds, then enjoy
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Hello all,
This will have a very narrow band of interest and will likely not produce any
responses but I will try anyhow. I collect photos and serial number of
reproducers, below are ones I am interested in.
First I am interested in diamond B reproducers with serial numbers above
108,000.
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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond D and heavy weight C reproducer
Hello all,
This will have a very narrow
Both the elbow and the horn are wrong, and it looks like the L has a bent N
weight on it. Unfortunately the price does not reflect the cobble.
Steven E Medved
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:22:57 -0400
From: ronbr...@aol.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera on ebay
I believe the regular Cygnet horn neck would degrade the sound quality.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150494547251
Looks like Victor to me, too. Also has a regular Cygnet horn neck, not the
special Opera neck. tsk
Item # 150494547251
Is it just me or
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Can anyone tell me what this is?
Thanks,
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Hello Ed,
If you are starting to collect see what is available in your area with regards
to records and machines. Find out if there are other collectors in your area
by asking the list, seeing other collections will really help you decide what
you want to concentrate on.
Steve
Steve
George,
I knew you were the first to read it. I actually accomplished what I wanted
which was to bring attention to CAPS and thank you in a joking way. Suitcase
home 34,147 came with early B 546 and without your article I would not have
been able to date it.
Steve
Steve,
I'm
. What a treat to add so
much humanity to what just a name to many.
Jan
Jan Horne and Harold White
CANADA
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Terry Baer(t...@edisontriumph.com)
You could also try Terry Baer as he sells triumph parts.
Steve
Hello again Gabriel:
Your serial number puts the machine just a few hundred below the
introduction of the Triumph. The motor number is correct for that machine.
All good
news
Hi Harvey,
George must have read the The Edison Home Phonograph, 1896 - 1901 in the Sept
2006 CAPS The Sound Box. This was a wonderful article well worth the price of
the annual subscription. I still refer to this article for the most valuable
information it provides.
I cannot say enough
! :-)
On
Apr 21, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Steven Medved wrote:
Hello Eugenia,
I
believe your e-mail only went to me, I can send it to the whole list if
you like. I am thrilled beyond words to get this e-mail from you. I
loved Gene, he was such a nice man, willing to explain things and do
work at very
On all Edison reproducers except for the L M and O and I think N when held
upsidedown by the sound tube the stylus bars should be horizontal. The secret
of the K is to have the working bar horizontal. You can do this depending on
the holes in the bars with a loop like a ? or one that is like
Mirek
Stehlic m.steh...@sentex.ca here is the e-mail I have for him.
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:54:27 -0400
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] hello all
hi
a few years ago i got some repro berliner parts from a gentleman named
stilek in canada
I called him on the phone after the mailing to ask him where he got his needles
and how he was doing.
He said all his investments went bad so he could no longer do the Graphic or
the needles, and his best friend died and some other bad things had happened to
him. His vintage car he had had
Dean,
John M., Inc.
26 Mechanics St.,
P.O. Box 924-TR
Putnam, CT 06260
USA
Tel: 860-928-7701
Product
Description
Textile
Industrial Pins, Pointed Wire Products, Pins Needles, Wire Pins,
Tapered Wire
The A standard has the black painted crank, the B has the nickel plated
crank, that is the easiest way to tell them apart.
The ICS B has the governor control knob and the early B has the banner
case.
So when in doubt look at the crank. It only took me 28 years to figure this
out.
Steve
Hello,
What is the difference between the model B and D triumph bedplate?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230450343741
Is this a D bedplate? I only have an A and E so I have no way to tell.
Thanks,
Steve
add it to the earlier model, but the shift mechanism didn't need so
much space to the right of the pulley. Is that as clear as mud??
John Robles
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Stan,
I am impressed with the prices and the horn is beautiful, you almost never see
one that nice as the paint flaked off the inside and out.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:42:48 -0700
CC: jerry.bl...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Phono-L]
Hello George P.,
Once again I find myself impressed with your knowledge, thanks so much for your
answer. Have you ever heard one play? Did it use a ruby?
Thanks again for your knowledge and your kindness in sharing it with us.
Steve
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Hello Al,
The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me. I have spoken to
people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene. I
would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
To:
that the gaskets were very thin and paperlike.
John Robles
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:34 AM
Ron,
I think the ideal gasket would be one of soft natural rubber but they begin to
harden. I spoke with a man that developed a gel gasket and it really
improved the bass, unfortunately they did not last. The hard rubber we
use today is a compromise, you sacrifice sound quality for
My gaskets don't appear to have anything to do with flexibility since they are
so thin. I can't imagine how they do any more then keep the metal backing from
touching the diaphragm directly.
John Robles
John,
That is why these reproducers do not sound their best. This reproducer was so
the portable Orthophonic. It sounds great,
but I wanted the original, so I got one. It sounds great too, but if someone
offers neoprene I would replace the originals.
J
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Subject: Re
Look at the mini van with the stow and go feature, all the seats fold down and
the room is amazing. When I rent a vehicle that is what I get.
The brand is your preference.
Steve
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Finnish: 59305-59306
Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical
matrix.
German: 57025-57034
52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series
80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series
82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series
Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the
You can put a 50 motor in a 30 box. The only issue you will have is the spring
that holds the horn up, it is in a different place for the 30 and the 50. The
later metal motorboards are made universal so you can put the double spring or
the single spring on then and the two spots for the brass
Rich,
We use Aero Kroil at work (aircraft mechanic) so I purchase it for home use.
They normally have a special deal on the internet.
http://www.kanolabs.com/google/
Currently the offer is 2 king size cans for $12 with postage paid.
That is 26 ounces for $12 at 46.15 cents an ounce, this
I appreciate you doing what I was unable to do, put it in understandable terms.
Thanks,
Steve
Its basically a non detergent SAE 5 weight oil and kerosene. The oil
has no rust and oxidation additives and will promptly turn into a hard
varnish deposit.
Material Safety Data Sheet
Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and
believed it for a while. Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
Petroleum Base Oil less than 25%
LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 12
I always soak the springs until the dried grease and graphite are easily
removed. I remove the springs, wipe them down and make sure they are clean and
have no cracks, then I reinstall them greasing as I go. That is the best job
because you ensure reliability.
From:
Hello Greg,
I cannot agree more. I put a spring in a plastic bag with WD-40 for long term
storage and the spring rusted. WD-40 does nothing to help removing old grease
and gasoline actually make it harder to remove.
Molybdenum-disulfide performs the same function as graphite without the
Thanks, next year should be even better.
Steve
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The most wonderful part of the show was seeing Harry Ruer and his wife Sherry.
I
purchased a Paul Baker K with a broken hinge block for $90, a near mint
gold exhibition box with gold print for $20, the admission was $14 for
my wife and I, but seeing Paul Baker's restored Multiphone and
Hello Ron,
It showed up on this list and I posted it on the other list for you as well.
Steve
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:50:50 -0800
From: xana...@yahoo.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] post an ad
Hello, I would like to post an ad for a cylinder player.
Wanted,
My definition of an antique car is one that has wheels with wooden spokes.
Wikipedia is a joke. The generally accepted definition of antique,
classic, special interest etc as it relates to automobiles is listed in
Hemmings Motor news and was dreamed up by the collector groups
I did better it only took me nine months to get paid for my horn and I had to
keep calling. The Smiths provided a repair estimate for me.
It is the attitude of UPS that bothered me the most. With the auto parts they
damaged the container of antifreeze which got the other parts wet, they
An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or
desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique
feature.
Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in
contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25
years, and some
that it's easier to
collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find
out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange
reason.
Greg Farmer
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is a classic, not an antique.
I guess I am stuck in time.
The antique car crowd has very different ideas on what constitutes and
antique car.
Where did you find that definition?
Steven Medved wrote:
An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or
desirable due to rarity
They will play on a regular 78 rpm modern turntable with 78 setting. They do
not sound their best that way but with the light stylus weight I do not think
wear or damage would be an issue.
I welcome other comments, especially from those who have special modern
equipment to play them with.
Dear Al,
The triumph cost $50 when $5 a day for wages was a good salary. Who would pay
for and why would Edison sell in 1904 a machine with an outdated, poorly
sounding reproducer. Also why would he have an automatic from 1898 and a
carriage from early 1902 (or earlier) on a
I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be
sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an
order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts,
but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic
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. Baer
St. Louis
Email: t...@edisontriumph.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: [Phono-L] 1904 Edison triumph
The 2 minute Wax Amberol Wax records I have are 8708 with a Patd 26,
(and the 26 is light like the catalog number on the 1901 to 1904
records with no titles) 10120, 10146, 10278, 10303 .3 ..6, 10377,
and 10395. The 18 records I have from 10396 to 10562 are all the
regular wax.
The last 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ZWY46mDTs
Interesting, he states the wax was not a lubricant, but a mold release.
I use his products on my best records, the ones I really care about.
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Hello John,
I believe you are totally correct, originally the sides of the record were
coated to protect them from moisture absorption. Even the Blue Amberol must be
shown the same consideration with regards to protecting it core. Those BA
records that were properly stored in a dry
Hello Al,
I have the iron and bare pot metal ones, I could send the dimensions if you
like.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:17:18 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Reducer Rings C, H, and K in large carriage...
Thanks Steve:
I
Hello Al,
I have always believed that the reducer adapter rings were made for the
recorder and I wanted to take the opportunity to see if I was correct. They
also came with the amberol kits that Edison offered in 1919 to amberolize the
standards, homes and triumphs. These kit consisted
8915, 7826, 5110 should have the catalog numbers on the edge of the record.
From: ge...@comcast.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
The Edison Diamond disc records are all 10 with a white paper label. All are
in the
Hello Al,
Was the carriage reducer or adapter was made for the recorder?
I have found on my Triumph with the large carriage that some CHK reproducers
sit too low. I corrected this by placing a 0.020 wire in the reducer/adapter
under where the C will sit.
Having all the carriages for the
Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:07:30 -0500
From: gpaul2...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any ideas on this unusual box?
A home-made creation.
George P.
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http://www.phonobooks.com/
Edison Diamond Disc Phonographs, 1912-1929, by G. Frow, history photos, 300+
pages, 25.95
Get it before it goes out of print.
Steve
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison
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Soldering iron, the idea of the wax is to make it airtight. I place the wax on
top, heat the needle bar and the wax melts and wicks in.
The directions from Victor say you should have the needle bar barely touch the
mica, but after I connect the screw I sound test and I have found if I adjust
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a
Will we ever see your smiling face in one?
Yes, that be mine, and that be me !! heh heh
Hello Bruce,
I really appreciate the link because I have two of the reproducers, but I
have never seen the machine they came from. Is it yours?
Steve
The army one has the last and cheapest reproducer.
I wonder what machine is playing the cylinder record on this site, someone
please shoot and put it out of its misery unless it is an early Gem speaker
with petrified gaskets.
And here is one on a US Army Special Services phono (go to the
Ron,
What years were that RCA portable made?
Steve
The tone arm and reproducer are from an RCA portable machine.
Ron L
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of
it, I'm guessing 1940s. I don't know if anyone has done research on these
things.
Ron
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Subject: Re
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Questions about a General Phonograph Model E
Ron,
What years were that RCA portable made?
Steve
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Ron,
What years were that RCA portable made?
Steve
The tone arm and reproducer are from an RCA portable machine
what it was.
Steven Medved wrote:
What book and where does it say the records were lubed?
The reason I am interested, I have recently been thinking that DD's would
likely benefit from a lube. I have written with a man that said he had
used Pledge on his wax cylinder records for 20
I believe the reproducer was made after 1930, one that was made for and not by
RCA Victor. I have at least two of these reproducers, I believe it was the
last reproducer made before the cheap generic one. I would not think the
machine has its original reproducer.
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009
You cannot distinguish your product or use a trademark with comon words.
Cotton Cleanser what comes to your mind?
Kotton Klenser what comes to you mind?
If you look at the website you will see the TM by the name.
A trademark or trade mark[1] is a distinctive sign or indicator
What book and where does it say the records were lubed?
The reason I am interested, I have recently been thinking that DD's would
likely benefit from a lube. I have written with a man that said he had used
Pledge on his wax cylinder records for 20 years with no adverse affects.
I
From: way...@shaw.ca
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:21:51 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Rolling Walker with brakes amp; Basket - $125 (North
Vancouver)
phone Dennis 604-255-7988
Thanks for the kind reply. The screw on plate is the second style made from
around 1913 to 1915. I enjoyed reading this as I have never seen an earlier
one with cork.
One thing about Edison there is always more to learn. I recently saw a
reproducer originally with a Duncan stop upgraded
The ones on the small reproducers like the C H K held up well, the most of the
ones on the DD reproducers have been deformed and come out.
Steve
And how are the cork gaskets? The ones I've seen (and replaced) seem rather
brittle and most of the time have deformed and come out from
Edison
switched to cork gaskets around 1924 as he found that cork retains
resiliency longer than rubber. (from Ron D)
Hello Bruce,
You must have only seen the later DD reproducers, from 1912 to 1924 the gaskets
are a soft natural rubber that began to harden in as little as six months. I
Sounds like Gene Gogal in Canada, he is famous for his off eBay deals where he
cheats people.
I would use PayPal with a credit card, that way you have some protection. I
sent Gene $110 cash and he happily took my money and never even thanked me, I
saw on eBay that the buyer that
John,
It looks to me like the patent decal has blue paint that ran down on it and it
has a black outline.
I agree with Lee. (He is very skilled in this area)
Steve
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:02:47 -0700
From: john9...@pacbell.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Blue Edison
example. I didn't realize this color had been available for such a long
time span. Interesting...
George P.
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What year were they made?
Yes! We pictured one of these maroon Ediphones in Discovering Antique
Phonographs on page 147, Figure 3-118.
George P.
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Hi,
A friend is looking for a nice Model L reproducer (sapphire stylus) for
an Opera - what price range can he expect to pay these days? I don't see
any on eb*y at the moment.
Allen
$500 to $750 is the typical range. These do not appear on eBay very often.
UPS loves to damage, my wife heard them drop the Triumph they shipped at the
door, sure enough the bedplate was cracked in half as was the carriage.
Fortunately I paid the guy extra to mail the reproducer via USPS.
Their automated jaws of death sorting system crushed my Triumph horn, they
The Post Office is wonderful until something goes wrong. I purchased a
reproducer from Peru back in 1994, the clerk said to mail the Postal Money
order Certified so I could trace it. It got lost and I went back and ask them
to trace it a month later. I was informed the could only trace
The motor was still bolted to the bed plate and it was in a home made box that
had replaced the original Edison case. If the had not dropped it the bed plate
would not have damaged. UPS drivers are timed and for the books and light
things I get from Amazon.com UPS ground is excellent.
My
Chinese reproduction ID plate?
Ok, this one has got me stumped, I have contacted a seller of a crank victor
phonograph with a top lid (I do not have any pictures of it) who is insisting
that it is a VV-3X according to the ID plate. Naturally I can find nothing
about this in LFTD or the
Shows underside of weight.
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:42:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducer research
I've never heard of an Amberola 60 or 80, only 30, 50, and 75. What are4
they? Thanks
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From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
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