Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-04 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:54 -0300, Manuel Lemos wrote: > The truth is that good PHP developers are often not good Web (page) > designers, and good Web designers are not good developers. Yes, I agree with this completely! I am a relatively decent developer, but ask me to design an interface and y

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 07/03/2006 05:22 PM Jay Paulson said the following: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-04 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 07/03/2006 03:38 AM Lester Caine said the following: >>> I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template >>> engine other than smarty. >>> >>> I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does >>> anyone >>> have any recommendations for one th

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Lester Caine
Jay Paulson wrote: Thinking about this paragraph above makes me wonder if with that way of looking at it would one need a template engine? For example, why not just separate the business logic and the HTML as much as possible and then only imbed PHP in HTML to display the variables ()?? Then at

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jay Paulson
>>> I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template >>> engine other than smarty. >>> >>> I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone >>> have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run with? >>> >>> Finally, does anyone h

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 08:37, Jens Kleikamp wrote: Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) YOU DO?? I hope it's changed then from the one used on a site I'm now

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 08:37, Jens Kleikamp wrote: > Jay Paulson wrote: > > I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template > > engine other than smarty. > > > > I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) YOU DO?? I hope it's changed then from the one used on a site I'm now maintainin

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Jens Kleikamp
Jay Paulson wrote: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I like ezTemplate. (E_STRICT) I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is easy to pick up and run wi

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Lester Caine
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PDO is being pushed as a DB Abstraction library, but it only 'abstracts' the calls to PHP, it does nothing to abstract the SQL if you want a truly generic solution, if you need one, but if you don't the

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-03 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PDO is being pushed as a DB Abstraction library, but it only 'abstracts' > the calls to PHP, it does nothing to abstract the SQL if you want a > truly generic solution, if you need one, but if you don't then why > bother w

Re: [PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-02 Thread Lester Caine
Manuel Lemos wrote: on 06/30/2006 11:38 AM Jay Paulson said the following: I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template engine other than smarty. I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone have any recommendations for one that is e

[PHP] Re: Templates, PHP Frameworks, and DB Abstraction?

2006-07-02 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello, on 06/30/2006 11:38 AM Jay Paulson said the following: > I'd like to get some feedback on what the list thinks is a good template > engine other than smarty. > > I'd also like to do some quick prototyping using a PHP framework does anyone > have any recommendations for one that is easy to