> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> From: t...@marston-home.demon.co.uk
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:37:44 +0100
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with cookies)
>
>
> "Still Learnin'" wrote in message
> news:4a565c73.8090
I'm sure those who've been on this list a while muttered "here we go
again..." when this thread started. Personally I think if there was a poll
about this the bell curve would have some on the left demanding we all top
post, many on the right of the curve demanding we all bottom post, and a
solid b
Tony Marston wrote:
> There are too many people in this newsgroup with the idea that you MUST
> obey the rules, whatever they are, WITHOUT QUESTION. I do not subscribe to
> this notion. I have been working in IT (or DP as it was originally called)
> for over 30 years, and in that time I have wo
> -Original Message-
> From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperl...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:55 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net; a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with
> cookies)
>
> At 9:03
On Thursday 09 July 2009 22:00:14 Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 16:47, Bastien Koert wrote:
> >> My sincerest apologies. I have been a complete jackass this
> >> entire time and every single one of you has been correct. From this
> >> point forward I vow to keep my God damne
"Still Learnin'" wrote in message
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>
>>> You've been told more than twice, it isn't an arbitrary rule. It isn't
>>> a petty rule. It isn't about perfection.
>>
>> It is arbitrary. It is petty. It is about someone's idea of perfection.
>
> O
This post did not come from me. The headers contain this:
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Very funny.
--
(the real) Tony Marston
http://www.tonymarston.net
http://www.radicore.org
""(the fake) Tony Marston"" wrote in message
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 16:47, Bastien Koert wrote:
>>
>> My sincerest apologies. I have been a complete jackass this entire
>> time and every single one of you has been correct. From this point
>> forward I vow to keep my God damned mouth shut unless spoken to.
Heh. Methinks there be
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 16:55, tedd wrote:
>
> Now, do I remember email? No not really. As I understand it, email came
> about under ARPANET and converted to the Internet in the early 80's. So
> unless he has been doing email and participating on something other than
> what's known, I would have to
At 9:03 PM +0100 7/9/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
Also, I'd hardly call anyone here a jumped-up pipsqueak just because we aren't
too old to go by new rules. The only reason I'm bringing your age into this
is because you keep mentioning your last "30 years" online on mailing lists.
There are older m
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Tony
Marston wrote:
>
>
> My sincerest apologies. I have been a complete jackass this entire
> time and every single one of you has been correct. From this point
> forward I vow to keep my God damned mouth shut unless spoken to.
>
> You see, I have be
My sincerest apologies. I have been a complete jackass this entire
time and every single one of you has been correct. From this point
forward I vow to keep my God damned mouth shut unless spoken to.
You see, I have been struggling with defining my sexual identity
and trying to
Tony Marston wrote:
You've been told more than twice, it isn't an arbitrary rule. It isn't
a petty rule. It isn't about perfection.
It is arbitrary. It is petty. It is about someone's idea of perfection.
One of us clearly manifests a reality gap. How many people do you
have siding with your
"Still Learnin'" wrote in message
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> Tony Marston wrote:
>
>> I have no respect for anyone who wastes time in trying to force others to
>> obey their petty rules.
>
> ...
>> The whole point about this particlar rule is that it has no purpose other
>> than to f
On Thursday 09 July 2009 20:50:59 Tony Marston wrote:
> ""Bob McConnell"" wrote in message
> news:ff8482a96323694490c194babeac24a0049ad...@email.cbord.com...
> From: HallMarc Websites
>
> >> Having just come in to the particular thread, I actually have work
>
> that
>
> >> keeps me away from here,
"tedd" wrote in message
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> At 2:22 PM -0400 7/9/09, HallMarc Websites wrote:
>> As far as anyone going against convention,
>>seems to me that people who think outside the box, go against convention,
>>break the rules, whatever are the ones who keep l
""Bob McConnell"" wrote in message
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From: HallMarc Websites
>>
>> Having just come in to the particular thread, I actually have work
that
>> keeps me away from here, I'm wondering why this is worth the energy
and time
>> I have seen
Hi all
I haven't read any post from here.
I want to read PHP threads.
is this going somewhere? I think not.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, tedd wrote:
> At 2:38 PM -0400 7/9/09, Bob McConnell wrote:
>>
>> It will be even more interesting to see if anyone on this list pays any
>> attention to h
At 2:38 PM -0400 7/9/09, Bob McConnell wrote:
It will be even more interesting to see if anyone on this list pays any
attention to him in the future.
Bob McConnell
Bob:
You won't have to wonder about me. I've already set email filters to
trash any incoming from him.
A *few* on this list d
At 2:22 PM -0400 7/9/09, HallMarc Websites wrote:
As far as anyone going against convention,
seems to me that people who think outside the box, go against convention,
break the rules, whatever are the ones who keep life interesting and
occasionally help us find something new. I would hate to liv
From: HallMarc Websites
>
> Having just come in to the particular thread, I actually have work
that
> keeps me away from here, I'm wondering why this is worth the energy
and time
> I have seen wasted on this subject. Seems to me everyone needs to take
a
> deep breath and a step back. As far as an
"Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:57 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>> It's stupid because there is no valid reason as to why top posting is
>> *bad*.
>> It has existed on the internet ever since there was an internet
> -Original Message-
> From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: Tony Marston
> Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with
> cookies)
>
> On Thu
Tony Marston wrote:
I have no respect for anyone who wastes time in trying to force others to
obey their petty rules.
...
The whole point about this particlar rule is that it has no purpose other
than to force everybody to conform to somebody's idea of perfection.
You've been told more than
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:57 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
> It's stupid because there is no valid reason as to why top posting is
> *bad*.
> It has existed on the internet ever since there was an internet, so
> for
> someone to stand up and say "I don't like this, so I'll make a rule
> agains
> it"
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:57, Tony Marston wrote:
>
> Violating a license agreement is against the law, top posting is not.
Laws are rules set forth by mortal man. I have the right by your
own word to choose not to obey this particular one.
Your arguments hold no water, your experience h
"Daniel Brown" wrote in message
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> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 09:54, Tony Marston
> wrote:
>>
>> I called him "intolerant" because he jumps on issues which other people
>> just
>> don't care about.
>
>Point #1: You're obviously
[snip]
No, I don't like stupid rules, which is why I choose not to obey them.
[/snip]
Shall I point out the irony here?
http://www.tonymarston.net/aboutme/experiences.html in which you post a
truckload of rules.
And this which is posted among your Thoughts & Words
Nobody trips over mountains.
[snip]
I've decided. It doesn't work for me. End of story.
[/snip]
This has become way off topic (call me a Nazi if you will :)) and has
not, until now, been appropriately marked in the subject line.
Mr. Marston has posted here for a long time and has always had a burr up
his butt about rules. Se
At 9:39 AM +0100 7/9/09, Tony Marston wrote:
-snip- (Nothing important)
While you don't have any regard for "rules", we do. We simply ask
that the rules be followed for reasons that are not without
foundation and rules that are customary for list such as this.
Your juvenile statement of:
"N
"Bastien Koert" wrote in message
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> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Tony
> Marston wrote:
>>
>> "Bastien Koert" wrote in message
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>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:
>-Original Message-
>From: Bob McConnell [mailto:r...@cbord.com]
>Sent: 09 July 2009 15:38
>To: php-general@lists.php.net
>Subject: RE: [PHP] Obeying the rules (was Simple login form with cookies)
>
[snip]
>
>Bob McConnell
>
>A: Maybe because some people are
"Eddie Drapkin" wrote in message
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>> I called him "intolerant" because he jumps on issues which other people
>> just
>> don't care about.
>>
>> I called him "small minded" because he concentrates on small issues which
>> simply
A quick search on Google indicates this argument has been active in
various forums for over ten years, so I don't expect it to be resolved
here.
While ego is the most apparent motivator in these discussions I suspect,
but have no way to confirm, that the two camps are divided by how their
[email|n
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 09:54, Tony Marston wrote:
>
> I called him "intolerant" because he jumps on issues which other people just
> don't care about.
Point #1: You're obviously wrong, as this thread has already
received more replies than most on-topic, PHP-centric threads.
> I called him "sm
my 2¢:
Wherever/whenever the feeling level has been damaged, then/there
communication stops.
We can easily forget this in the dry environment of talking to
computers.. but the important matter(s) will always come back to the
*people* involved, sooner or later.
Real power is measured in ter
Tony Marston wrote:
I called [Daniel] "intolerant" because he jumps on issues which other
people just don't care about.
By "other people" you can only mean yourself, since the number of
people disagreeing with you here on this list keeps increasing.
I called him "small minded" because he conc
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Tony
Marston wrote:
>
> "Bastien Koert" wrote in message
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> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Tony
> Marston wrote:
>>
>> "Stuart" wrote in message
>> news:a5f019de0907090340k47216f7fh4d83434ef98ce.
> I called him "intolerant" because he jumps on issues which other people just
> don't care about.
>
> I called him "small minded" because he concentrates on small issues which
> simply don't matter in the great scheme of things. That sounds like fair
> comment to me It's just like those people who
"Bastien Koert" wrote in message
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Tony
Marston wrote:
>
> "Stuart" wrote in message
> news:a5f019de0907090340k47216f7fh4d83434ef98ce...@mail.gmail.com...
>> 2009/7/9 Tony Marston :
>>
>> The firs
I honestly think this is a case of the subject being broached in a
less-than-super-friendly-with-hugs-and-butterflies way and someone
getting unduly offended about that. Why not chill out and look at
this objectively? Mailing lists are historically, as I'm sure you
know, a nearly invaluable resea
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Tony
Marston wrote:
>
> "Stuart" wrote in message
> news:a5f019de0907090340k47216f7fh4d83434ef98ce...@mail.gmail.com...
> 2009/7/9 Tony Marston :
>
>> I thought of a better analogy. You ever been on the London
>> Underground? There's a rule that says you stand on t
"Stuart" wrote in message
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2009/7/9 Tony Marston :
> I thought of a better analogy. You ever been on the London
> Underground? There's a rule that says you stand on the right-hand side
> of escalators. This has no benefit to you
2009/7/9 Tony Marston :
> Sometimes I use bottom posting, sometimes I use top posting, and sometimes I
> use middle posting. It depends on the circumstances. If a post contains
> several points that need separate responses, then I put my response under
> each point, and do not accumulate all at th
Tony Marston wrote:
Where I put my answers depends on the context, so saying that IT MUST ALWAYS
BE AT THE BOTTOM doesn't wash with me.
That is a sentiment I would agree with - but for one flaw!
The number of people who seem to think that answering with a single line
at the top and then includ
Sometimes I use bottom posting, sometimes I use top posting, and sometimes I
use middle posting. It depends on the circumstances. If a post contains
several points that need separate responses, then I put my response under
each point, and do not accumulate all at the bottom as this would make i
2009/7/9 Tony Marston :
> There are too many people in this newsgroup with the idea that you MUST
> obey the rules, whatever they are, WITHOUT QUESTION. I do not subscribe to
> this notion. I have been working in IT (or DP as it was originally called)
> for over 30 years, and in that time I have w
On Thursday 09 July 2009 09:39:11 Tony Marston wrote:
> There are too many people in this newsgroup with the idea that you MUST
> obey the rules, whatever they are, WITHOUT QUESTION. I do not subscribe to
> this notion. I have been working in IT (or DP as it was originally called)
> for over 30 ye
There are too many people in this newsgroup with the idea that you MUST
obey the rules, whatever they are, WITHOUT QUESTION. I do not subscribe to
this notion. I have been working in IT (or DP as it was originally called)
for over 30 years, and in that time I have worked with many groups, and e
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