Re: [PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Lott
You're missing the point-- it's not that there is a practical difference in the examples, it's that there IS a difference, the students see it, and it is an extra point of confusion that isn't needed if one is being consistent. I completely recognize that the practical effects of the differences

[PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-11 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Apr-2007, at 13:06, Chris Lott wrote: You're missing the point-- it's not that there is a practical difference in the examples, it's that there IS a difference, the students see it, and it is an extra point of confusion that isn't needed if one is being consistent. I have to disagree,

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-11 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, April 11, 2007 2:06 pm, Chris Lott wrote: You're missing the point-- it's not that there is a practical difference in the examples, it's that there IS a difference, the students see it, and it is an extra point of confusion that isn't needed if one is being consistent. I completely

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-11 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, April 11, 2007 5:12 pm, LuKreme wrote: On 11-Apr-2007, at 13:06, Chris Lott wrote: I completely recognize that the practical effects of the differences are small, but the learning effects of the inconsistencies is much larger, particularly with a group of students that are not techies,

[PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-10 Thread LuKreme
On 6-Apr-2007, at 08:13, Chris Lott wrote: echo substr(abcdef, 1); So they naturally want to know-- why the double quotes? And there's no good logical reason for double quotes in the example-- and there are languages where the function could take a variable to be interpolated that DOES need

[PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-08 Thread David Powers
Chris Lott wrote: I will be teaching, so a book that a student can-- before the class-- work through and understand is good-- doesn't have to be a traditional textbook! But it shouldn't be a reference manual either. If you're looking for an up-to-date beginner's book that advocates (what I

[PHP] Re: PHP textbook suggestions?

2007-04-05 Thread Timothy Murphy
Chris Lott wrote: Looking for suggestions for a PHP textbook for an Intro to Web Programming class that will be using PHP5 and MySQL. This is a first-semester course, so no programming experience required. It would be nice to have a text that adhered to (what I see as) good practice using