Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-21 Thread Matt Todd
You guys make me laugh... :) (And I really actually mean that in a nice way... that last bit was quite funny. And yes, size does matter... some don't like it _too_ big.) But, I digress. I'm OK with taking this off-list... though I'd rather publicly reply. Yeah, I meant procedural, not

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-21 Thread Ryan A
You guys make me laugh... :) :-) (And I really actually mean that in a nice way... that last bit was quite funny. And yes, size does matter... some don't like it _too_ big.) Damn, just my luck :-D As far as AJAX is concerned: yeah, it's a bitch. I've gotten it to work

RE: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-21 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] it's about our philosophies. [/snip] Too bad your article didn't reflect that as well as you might have liked. And Web 2.0 is a label, the underlying philosophy has been there for years (before you ever got Dreamweaver to write your first line of HTML for you). Ajax is a label for a loose

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Robin Vickery
On 19/04/06, Matt Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that PHP is a functional language, and secondly, an OO language, but I think that you can blend these things better and have the OO brought to the forefront a bit more. PHP is not a functional language, it's an imperative language.

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, April 19, 2006 9:42 am, Matt Todd wrote: Honestly, I'd love to see basic variables be objects, as models of real world data with properties for the data such as a $number-length or $word-as_array() giving you letters. I think you might want to consider using Common Lisp, then. Cuz

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread John Wells
Here's an invitation to take this off-list. I've posted my thoughts on my (currently design-less and under massive construction relocation) website. Direct link to post: http://s153531379.onlinehome.us/index.php/journal/the-clash-of-the-php-mailing-list-and-the-proverbial-web-2-0-iceberg

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Martin Alterisio \El Hombre Gris\
Matt Todd wrote: There's nothing wrong with staying true to the philosophy at all, I just think that it may well be detrimental in the end. And that is what I said in the (toilet)paper, that there will be (emphasis on the eventuality, not on the present actuality) a time that PHP will become

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Brad Bonkoski
Maybe it is just me, but I think these types of discussions/debates concerning opposing view points on the direction of web programming is as imperative to the general PHP community (i.e. this list) as the dangers of register globals and magic quotes etc At least more relevant then the

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Tony Marston
Martin Alterisio El Hombre Gris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Todd wrote: snip Have you stop to think what the efficiency cost would be to make everything an object? We're already suffering much to avoid the waiting 2.5 second it's way too much cutline

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Joe Henry
On Thursday 20 April 2006 1:18 am, Richard Lynch wrote: Is 5 longer than 4? Size doesn't matter. At least that's what I've been told. ;) -- Joe Henry www.celebrityaccess.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-20 Thread Ryan A
On Thursday 20 April 2006 1:18 am, Richard Lynch wrote: Is 5 longer than 4? Size doesn't matter. At least that's what I've been told. ;) -- You've been lied to m8 :-D -- - The faulty interface lies between the chair and the keyboard. - Creativity is great, but plagiarism is

[PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Matt Todd
Yes, I absolutely agree that Rasmus is awesome and his accomplishments are far and beyond amazing, but I'm saying that I think that Rasmus is motivated to stay true to PHP's philosophies and not be willing to rethink them: that is what I meant by that. In no way am I saying that Rasmus doesn't

RE: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] Yes, I absolutely agree that Rasmus is awesome and his accomplishments are far and beyond amazing, but I'm saying that I think that Rasmus is motivated to stay true to PHP's philosophies and not be willing to rethink them: that is what I meant by that. [/snip] What, exactly, is wrong with

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Wolf
Kid (and I mean that loosely), you should have stopped while you were ahead of the tide and let it die... Instead you had to open up and add more drivel that: 1. shows how little you think about those who have come before you and their ability to shift as technology changes 2. further shoved

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Ryan A
umm guys, can you take this offlist please (if you wish to continue this) as I dont really see how this can benifit anyone. Cheers, Ryan --- Matt Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I absolutely agree that Rasmus is awesome and his accomplishments are far and beyond amazing, but I'm saying

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Jochem Maas
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Yes, I absolutely agree that Rasmus is awesome and his accomplishments are far and beyond amazing, but I'm saying that I think that Rasmus is motivated to stay true to PHP's philosophies and not be willing to rethink them: that is what I meant by that. [/snip] What,

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Stut
Matt Todd wrote: But of course, that is just conjecture. I'm just saying that I think he has vested interest and will be least of all willing to make the shift in thought (even if he did think it held some merit). I didn't read that article too closely, but I would appreciate *brief*

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Barry
Stut wrote: Matt Todd wrote: But of course, that is just conjecture. I'm just saying that I think he has vested interest and will be least of all willing to make the shift in thought (even if he did think it held some merit). I didn't read that article too closely, but I would appreciate

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Matt Todd
There's nothing wrong with staying true to the philosophy at all, I just think that it may well be detrimental in the end. And that is what I said in the (toilet)paper, that there will be (emphasis on the eventuality, not on the present actuality) a time that PHP will become the old stuff because

Re: [PHP] Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

2006-04-19 Thread Richard Davey
On 19 Apr 2006, at 15:42, Matt Todd wrote: there will be (emphasis on the eventuality, not on the present actuality) a time that PHP will become the old stuff because it did not evolve with the philosophies. Philosophies are just that.. a philosophy. They are not standards. They are also