Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Philip Olson
On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Lars: In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class var

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Lars Torben Wilson
Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Lars: In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class variables "properties", I should explain that others call them

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Lars Torben Wilson
Greg Beaver wrote: Brandon Savage wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Brandon: Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following: PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying the ob

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Greg Beaver
Brandon Savage wrote: > On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote: > >> Hi Brandon: >> >> Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following: >> >>PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects >>are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying >>the ob

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Lars Torben Wilson
Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Lars: In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class variables "properties", I should explain that others call them "members" or "member vari

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Lars Torben Wilson
Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Lars: In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class variables "properties", I should explain that others call them "members" or "member variables" or "attributes" or w

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Brandon Savage
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote: Hi Brandon: Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following: PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying the object. First, "passed" is the followed imme

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Brandon: Nice stuff. Two qualms with the following: PHP 5's object model also significantly changes the way objects are passed, passing a pointer to the object rather than copying the object. First, "passed" is the followed immediately by "passing." Pick a different word for o

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Daniel Convissor
Hi Lars: > In an earlier draft I had words to this effect, but it just got to be > unwieldy, since it felt like if I explained that some people call class > variables "properties", I should explain that others call them "members" > or "member variables" or "attributes" or what-have-you. I'll

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Brandon Savage
I'll see what I can do to submit a patch tonight containing new language for a "Differences Between PHP 4 and PHP 5" section. This is outlined to some degree in the "Migrating" documentation, but I still think it's a good idea. Does anyone know what we have to do in order to move the PHP 4

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Brandon Savage
On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Brandon Savage wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Philip Olson wrote: Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated! Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :) And while doing this, it's p

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Lars Torben Wilson
Brandon Savage wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Philip Olson wrote: Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated! Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :) And while doing this, it's probably worth thinking about how to ensure oop5 is a

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Lars Torben Wilson
Brandon Savage wrote: Torben, This is good stuff. I have the following suggestions: 1. I would add links to the basic.xml page in the paragraph where you state "A class may contain its own variables, constants, and functions." I'd link to the sections on properties, constants and methods. S

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Brandon Savage
Torben, This is good stuff. I have the following suggestions: 1. I would add links to the basic.xml page in the paragraph where you state "A class may contain its own variables, constants, and functions." I'd link to the sections on properties, constants and methods. 2. I would also add in parent

Re: [PHP-DOC] oop5 basic rewrite informal RFC

2009-09-08 Thread Brandon Savage
On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Lars Torben Wilson wrote: Philip Olson wrote: Comments, criticisms, and feedback greatly appreciated! Sounds reasonable, and the more information the better :) And while doing this, it's probably worth thinking about how to ensure oop5 is a first class citizen. M