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el like I can do that. I found that micro blogging
> is
> not really my cup of tea after all.
No need to apologize. Things should be enjoyed while they last :-)
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I really miss the Twitter picolisp updates. Would it be possible to consider
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pt/openssl@3/include:$CPPFLAGS"
## readline
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/local/opt/readline/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH"
export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/opt/readline/lib:$LDFLAGS"
export CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/opt/readline/include:$CPPFLAGS"
## llvm
export PATH=&q
ory
make: *** [base.ll] Error 126
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> On May 30, 2022, at 0:09, Jean-Christophe Helary
> wrote:
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> Thank you.
>
> It looks like it was a clang issue.
>
> I'll check that later next week. And *will* come back here to report :-)
>
> JC
>
t; ➜ src git:(master) ✗ which clang
>> /usr/bin/clang
>> ➜ src git:(master) ✗ which llvm-link
>> /opt/local/bin/llvm-link
>
> this is mess.
> all three must be from *the same* source, fix it and try again.
Thank you for the helpful comments and suggestions.
t/openssl/include
> $(STRIP) $(BIN)/ssl
>
> $(BIN)/httpGate: httpGate.c
> - $(CC) -O3 -w -o $(BIN)/httpGate httpGate.c -lssl -lcrypto
> -L/opt/homebrew/opt/openssl/lib -I/opt/homebrew/opt/openssl/include
> + $(CC) -O3 -w -o $(BIN)/httpGate httpGate.c -
t:(master) ✗ which clang
/usr/bin/clang
➜ src git:(master) ✗ which llvm-link
/opt/local/bin/llvm-link
It looks like clang is not the one we might want ?
➜ src git:(master) ✗ clang --version
Apple clang version 13.0.0 (clang-1300.0.29.30)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin20.6.0
Thread model: posix
Inst
d
(68) (Producer: 'APPLE_1_1300.0.29.30_0' Reader: 'LLVM 10.0.1')
/opt/local/libexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: error: loading file 'lib.bc'
make: *** [picolisp.bc] Error 1
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src git:(master) ✗ rm *.bc
➜ src git:(master) ✗ make
/opt/local/libexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: lib.bc: error: Unknown attribute kind
(68) (Producer: 'APPLE_1_1300.0.29.30_0' Reader: 'LLVM 10.0.1')
/opt/local/libexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: error: loading file 'lib.b
before.
> It happened when you link against macos *builtin* readline library which is
> too old.
> If you check my Makefile you would find paths to readline from brew.
I've installed readline from macport as you suggested and I'm using your
Makefile.
Also I'm n
_input_available_hook'
>> rl_input_available_hook = rlAvail;
>> ^
>> ...
>
> They are all from the readline library.
Would there be a version issue ?
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ib.c:156:8: error: use of undeclared identifier 'rl_readline_state'
if (rl_readline_state & RL_STATE_SIGHANDLER) {
^
lib.c:156:28: error: use of undeclared identifier 'RL_STATE_SIGHANDLER'
if (rl_readline_state & RL_STATE_SIGHANDLER) {
^
lib.c:612:10: fatal error: 'ffi.h' file not found
#include
^~~
16 errors generated.
make: *** [lib.bc] Error 1
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ibexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: error: loading file 'lib.bc'
make: *** [picolisp.bc] Error 1
➜ pil21+ git:(master) ✗
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>
>
>> On May 29, 2022, at 0:16, Mike wrote:
>>
>>&g
/libexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: lib.bc: error: Unknown attribute kind
(68) (Producer: 'APPLE_1_1300.0.29.30_0' Reader: 'LLVM 10.0.1')
/opt/local/libexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: error: loading file 'lib.bc'
make: *** [picolisp.bc] Error 1
➜ pil21+ g
ll
>
> ht.ll: $(INC) ht.l
> $(PIL) lib/llvm.l ht.l -bye > ht.ll
>
> # Tools
> $(BIN)/balance: balance.c
> $(CC) -O3 -w -o $(BIN)/balance balance.c
>
> # Gate
> $(BIN)/ssl: ssl.c
> $(CC) -O3 -w -o $(BIN)/ssl ssl.c -I/opt/local/include -L/opt/local/li
> On May 28, 2022, at 19:24, Mike wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 28, 2022, at 13:13, Jean-Christophe Helary
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 18:45, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>>>
picolisp?
How would I go about building picolisp ?
By the way, do we agree that you have a working picolisp installation on macos ?
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>> On May 23, 2022, at 16:26, Jean-Christophe Helary
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 23, 2022, at 21:23, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>&g
you with error messages.
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> On May 23, 2022, at 20:31, Mike wrote:
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> May 23, 2022, 2:06 PM, "Jean-Christophe Helary"
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> > wrote:
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>>
>>>
>>> On May 23
> On May 23, 2022, at 16:16, Mike wrote:
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> May 23, 2022, 7:13 AM, "Jean-Christophe Helary" mailto:li...@traduction-libre.org?to=%22Jean-Christophe%20Helary%22%20%3Clists%40traduction-libre.org%3E
> > wrote:
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>>
>> I get the exact same resu
file 'lib.bc'
make: *** [picolisp.bc] Error 1
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> On May 22, 2022, at 21:44, Mike wrote:
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> May 22, 2022, 3:00 PM, "Jean-Christophe Helary"
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> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm following the
; Reader: 'LLVM 10.0.1')
/opt/local/libexec/llvm-10/bin/llvm-link: error: loading file 'lib.bc'
make: *** [picolisp.bc] Error 1
Any idea what is going on ?
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; tutorials.
>
> Yes, good idea! Thanks! :)
Done !
I put the blog in the Documentation page right under the tutorial and the
twitter accounts on the Community page.
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I was thinking that having the following items added to the Community page
would be nice:
1. twitter account
2. Mia's blog
3. Mia's twitter account
Also, the documentation page could also have the link to Mia's various
tutorials.
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> I think this was not yet documented anywhere.
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> As Pil64 is obsolete anyway, I strongly recommend to migrate to Pil64.
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adius: 0.15rem;
>padding: 0.05rem 0.2rem;
>margin-right: 1px;
>overflow-x: auto;
>font-size: smaller;
> }
>
> pre.code {
>padding: 0.1rem 0.2rem;
> border-radius: 0.25rem;
> }
>
>
> Also known as "what was there before'' :) An
%, #dfdfdf);
background: linear-gradient(to bottom right, #efefef, 90%, #dfdfdf);
-webkit-box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px 0px rgba(0,0,0,0.1);
box-shadow: 1px 1px 1px 0px rgba(0,0,0,0.1);
}
Is it what you have ?
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ting on line 247 is not inherited by and that cramps
the code blocks inside the grey background box.
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CSS gradients to make it look extra
> cool 😎
>
> Feedback welcome!
>
> -Erik
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is would be rather verbose and noisy.
>
> Other opinions?
A proper subject line should be enough.
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> https://software-lab.de/8kLisp.tgz
>
> It is written in Z80 assembly for CP/M.
Wow ! I wish I had that for my ZX81 back in the days :)
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It might be off-topic here, if so, let me know, I won't do it again :-)
"Autumn Lisp Game Jam 2021"
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ent input channel is on the script while it is 'load'ed.
>>
>> So you need to redirect the input channel to stdin
>>
>>(in NIL
>> ...
>> (line) # or (read), (char) etc.
>> ... )
>>
>> ☺/ A!ex
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ut any
> other ideas or questions are welcome too.
I won't be able to attend (UTC+9...) but I had a question *especially* after
reading Mia's blog.
How is it possible to "pipe" data to a pil script ?
Something like
myOtherScript's result | mypilscript.l
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>
> What if the value of E is something like
>
>">alert('xss');
You mean n{alert('xss');}?
I don't understand Alex’ answer:
> In final code this would be written as (ht:Prin E)
but I guess he is right :)
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t;\">")
(recurse T)
(prin "") )
which would give us:
My heading
and then, the only thing I need to do (hehehe) is to actually make sure that E
actually gets the value of the heading.
Am I heading (no pun intended) in the right direction ?
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>
> "Upload CSS File (wiki.css)"
Ok, let me describe what I did:
• → https://picolisp.com/wiki/?home
• login
• → my account
• → Documents
• [New] → click
• [Choose file]
• (select wiki.css)
• Specify a name → wiki.css
• [Upload directly] → click
And nothing visible happens.
I just read the i/o part and I wish you'd have given examples for the libraries
at the end of the post.
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ut I think it looks way
better than the original:
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Predicates-for-Strings.html
https://doublet.jp/gnu%20html/elisp/Predicates-for-Strings.html
JC
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 0:28, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 12:08:
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 0:28, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 12:08:57AM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>> I've logged in to the Wiki interface but I'm not sure where I'd upload the
>> modified file.
>
> There is an "U
ki interface but I'm not sure where I'd upload the
modified file.
>> 2) there does not seem to be a way to "name" internal parts so as to provide
>> HTML anchors and link to internal parts of a document (like a "normal" ToC
>> would do).
>
>
sible on modern screens)
2) there does not seem to be a way to "name" internal parts so as to provide
HTML anchors and link to internal parts of a document (like a "normal" ToC
would do).
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re" on the Wiki home
https://picolisp.com/wiki/?home
4) I added an "Alternative repository install for macOS" page
https://picolisp.com/wiki/?alternativeMacOSRepository
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t; link to reset the password though.
>
> I think that nothing relevant changed in the wiki.
>
> Is it ok if I make up a new pw, send it to you by mail, so that you can log in
> and change it to another one?
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> On Sep 5, 2021, at 15:13, Jean-Christophe Helary
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>
> (creating a new thread)
>
> Thank you pahidu for the information.
>
> So, basically,
And, maybe it is now time to update the wiki :-)
If/when the patch is added to the repository, I'll update it myself :)
I guess the Makefile info can be put there ase well, but it would be nicer to
have it patched.
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# llvm-as
> LLC = llc
> LINK = llvm-link
> MAIN = -rdynamic -lc -lutil -lm -ldl -lreadline -lffi
> # SHARED = -shared
> SHARED = -dynamiclib -undefined dynamic_lookup
> STRIP = : # strip
>
> It builds cleanly and passes all the included tests.
>
> Regards,
> p
ze, obviously most of the content is not
> originally from me but from the community. Sometimes I even copied
> complete sentences if I liked them. Hope that was ok!
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> demonstrations.
>
> Any thoughts?
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> On May 2, 2020, at 14:04, Jean-Christophe Helary
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>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 10:43, Alexis wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
>>
>>> Thank you Alexis, and sorry to bother you about that. It was la
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 10:43, Alexis wrote:
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
>
>> Thank you Alexis, and sorry to bother you about that. It was late but it's
>> something I could have checked myself.
>
> It's no problem! As it was marked as a
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 18:20, Jean-Christophe Helary
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>
>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to
>> compile 75 for myself
that you use slides that somebody would push for you.
I'm sure there are plenty of options. That's something that should be explored
based on the presenter's constraints I guess.
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way to go.
An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike during the
presentations, there is no real need for a headphone.
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> 2) We could organize a «warm up» as it is done in music festivals
Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who
have presentations to see if things work well ?
Jean-Chris
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here)
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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:30, Alexis wrote:
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary writes:
>
>> And, I'm using plisp-mode from melpa.
>>
>> My problem is that I don't see a place to set the inferior-picolisp
>> executable in the customize buffer and e
e setting falls back on
/usr/bin/pil +.
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l64 uses binary tree? Not so sure but something like
> that :)
Ok then, way over my head then :) But thank you for the pointer :)
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news about jisti vs mumble where they mention issues
with a large number of people.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22477785
Maybe it would be nive to do tests with a dozen participants or so before going
live ?
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PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were online. I am sure a lot of
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parts, in the future and further down the road as a "community" version). Apple
released it fully as free software (MIT license) in 2018.
I am sure there are plenty other exemples of bad practices in the software
world, but this one does not strike me as one.
Jean-Christophe Helary
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ring-to-number (seq-sort #'> (number-to-string n
Same number of parens in Lisp and in JS but *way* more readable.
(from https://dev.to/thepracticaldev/daily-challenge-177-supersize-me-3fhl)
People need to be shown what they really do in daily life and how that affects
their
t; important.
You are totally right.
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Sorry I started this digression, so the reply is just for informative purpose
and commentary and not intended as a will to pursue this particular discussion
:) I'm fine with GitHub or whatever.
> On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:49, Mike wrote:
>
>>> Someday all this must move to github.com/picolisp.
>>
> Someday all this must move to github.com/picolisp.
> @Mansur will take care.
Why not use sr.ht ?
It fully supports W3C accessibility guidelines.
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> On Feb 17, 2020, at 0:17, Alexander Burger wrote:
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> Hi Jean-Christophe,
>
>> Are there relatively trivial tasks that low-skilled people can help with ?
>
> Not sure if trivial,
Pretty sure it's not :) But thank you for the hints. I'll take a look.
Jean-Christophe
> but LLVM code can
ersion" _version) )
>
> But even those work mostly only partially. For example, except for the REPL
> *all* I/O is missing. Some things like 'native' or coroutines I did only as a
> skeleton, to make sure they are possible in PilVM.
>
> What *is*
al window or tab for these exports to take
> effect.
> (In brew there is no separate formula with the name "llvm-link”.)
>
> /Jon
>
>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 05:02, Jean-Christophe Helary
>> wrote:
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>>
>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 1:50, Al
** [picolisp.bc] Error 1
Jean-Christophe
>
> (or analog for other package managers).
>
> Note that a running PicoLisp is no longer required for bootstrapping (as it is
> for pil64), because a pre-built src/base.bc is included in the release.
>
> ☺/ A!ex
>
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Jon,
Would you mind describing how you build pil21 ? I don't seem to be able to
"make" it (no pun intended).
JC
> On Feb 12, 2020, at 23:00, Jon Kleiser wrote:
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> Hi Alex,
>
> Great! Now it works. I just did a “(+ 2 3 4 5)” and got 14. ;-)
> What’s the most important things missing? Functio
#x27;s now super high on my list of things-to-do-when-work-gets-boring
:)
Thank you so much !
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> On May 27, 2019, at 3:10, shshoshin wrote:
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> Certainly while I am learning from the wiki, it is a good opportunity to
> contribute to the knowledge base :)
If there is something weird with the wiki documentation don't hesitate to say
it. I took some time to reformat and document it, but
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wrote:
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> You can try M-x Term for a terminal emulator. then run pil + and use the
> documentaion (works fine with w3m for me)
>
> It's M-x term(with lowercase t)
>
>
> PositronPro
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Kan-Ru Chen is the picolisp Debian package maintainer :)
Welcome here :)
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 9:05, Kan-Ru Chen wrote:
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> Hello "Kan-Ru Chen" :-)
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aspbian)
> Date: January 25, 2019 0:00:08 JST
> To: "Jean-Christophe Helary"
>
> Hi,
>
> a- I can see the melpa picolisp-mode fine. I'm not sure what you mean
> "invisible"?
>
> b- No, the paredit patch is not applied.
>
> c- picolisp-wik
jor modes
> for picolisp programming and even a rundown of their functionality /
> capability. Sounds good. Please do that if you have
> time. Thanks.
I did talk about the "official" character of that mode because it is documented
on the wiki documentation as *the* emacs mode
hat was very admirable of you to consider the community
> though. Thanks, man!
>
> Cheers, --Rick
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quot; (the
server-side code) were packaged in Linux distributions so as to offer a useable
wiki solution at large. That would also contribute to increasing picolisp's
visibility.
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> On Jan 22, 2019, at 23:23, Alexander Burger wrote:
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> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:41:24PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>> The problem is that on Debian (and derivatives) the most recent mode that
>> Alexis has developed is not available. I discove
/flexibeast/picolisp-mode
Jean-Christophe
>
> Kind regards,
> Manu
>
>
> El mar., 22 ene. 2019 a las 10:20, Jean-Christophe Helary
> (mailto:brandel...@gmail.com>>) escribió:
>
>
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 15:58, Alexander Burger > <mailto:a...@softw
d do.
It would be nice to hear from other emacs users.
If only for the access to documentation at point I would rather use Alexis'
mode.
If there is an agreement on that, I think it would be nice to discuss how we do
that. :)
Jean-Christophe Helary
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