Re: [KDE/Mac] systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Thursday December 24 2015 12:15:59 John Layt wrote: > Akademy a few years back. The general consensus was that forcing > Mac/Windows/Gnome users to install Systemsettings just to configure their > standalone app was A Bad Thing (TM) and shouldn't be done. It required > specialised knowledge of

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday, 2015-12-21, 14:22:41, René J. V. Bertin wrote: > Aleix Pol wrote: > >> 3 akonadi/PIM settings > > > > It should probably go to PIM. > > Yes. > > As a general rule I think one can say that every application that uses a KCM > module to configure part of its settings should provide a me

Re: [KDE/Mac] systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread John Layt
Hi, Drive-by comment, no time to read the full thread so not sure if it's been said, but I thought I'd just refresh memories on what we discussed at an Akademy a few years back. The general consensus was that forcing Mac/Windows/Gnome users to install Systemsettings just to configure their standal

Re: [KDE/Mac] systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data giovedì 24 dicembre 2015 12:11:51 CET, René J.V. Bertin ha scritto: > A KF5 KCrashReporter framework? I suppose that would make sense. The reason it hasn't been done yet is that it requires a good deal of surgery to cut down dependencies. If you look in the archives of k-f-d you'll see s

Re: [KDE/Mac] systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Thursday December 24 2015 11:43:57 mk-li...@mailbox.org wrote: > Hi Ian and all others interested in DrK, playing postillion d'amour again ... > > Marko was also protesting about the move, I remember. > > Yes, indeed, I did protest back then, but it stayed unheard. > > > So, I'll do it agai

Re: [KDE/Mac] systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Out of curiosity: to what extent are things like plasmoids/plasma widgets and other "cool goodies" really tied to the presence of a full-blown Plasma desktop? If they're qml they should be able to run anywhere in principle. I can understand they need some kind of host but with qml it should be

Re: [KDE/Mac] systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-24 Thread René J . V . Bertin
On Thursday December 24 2015 13:11:44 Ian Wadham wrote: Goodevening Ian, and whatever appropriate to ye'all :) >No, this is a good initiative. René, and a necessary one. Such complex >considerations cannot be dealt with easily in a short exchange of emails, IMHO. Thanks, Ian! I agree... :) >>

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Aleix Pol wrote: > It's a matter of what we expose I'd say, though, as you only want to > change application-specific settings within the application. Yes, I guess you're right about that. Some applications provide a palette selector (but no way to edit palettes), most if not all a language sel

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread Aleix Pol
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 2:53 PM, René J. V. wrote: > David Edmundson wrote: > > >>> address space of an application other than kcmshell or systemsettings. >>> >>> They can be run in application space. >> There's a class to load them easily as widgets. See KCMUtils framework >> (KSettings::Dialog i

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread René J . V . Bertin
David Edmundson wrote: >> address space of an application other than kcmshell or systemsettings. >> >> They can be run in application space. > There's a class to load them easily as widgets. See KCMUtils framework > (KSettings::Dialog in particular) I take it that's how the Notifications and Sho

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi René, On Monday, December 21, 2015 14:02:59 René J. V. Bertin wrote: > Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Did you check of X11 dependencies? At least some of the font settings > > depend on X11. > > Thanks, will do. Makes sense: hinting and AA settings are moot outside of > X11. However: my Linux bu

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread David Edmundson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:22 PM, René J. V. wrote: > Aleix Pol wrote: > > >> kde-cli-tools and systemsettings5 are required to configure > >> 1 wallet settings (regardless of whether KWallet uses native KDE > wallets or > >> an OS X keychain backend) > > Makes sense, probably should be moved to K

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Aleix Pol wrote: >> kde-cli-tools and systemsettings5 are required to configure >> 1 wallet settings (regardless of whether KWallet uses native KDE wallets or >> an OS X keychain backend) > Makes sense, probably should be moved to KWallet? Probably. >> 2 cookies and other html/browser related se

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Did you check of X11 dependencies? At least some of the font settings depend > on X11. Thanks, will do. Makes sense: hinting and AA settings are moot outside of X11. However: my Linux build should pick up all required X11 deps so something else must be going on too. >

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread Aleix Pol
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:05 PM, René J.V. wrote: > Hello, > > This has been pending for a while, ever since we (= KDE/Mac) learned that the > kde4-workspace package was split up and integrated into KF5 Plasma, but it > may actually be relevant beyond "Plasma vs. the rest of the world" question

Re: systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday, December 21, 2015 12:05:26 René J.V. Bertin wrote: > I'm surprised that I don't see any of the fonts/palettes/style controls; > those are probably in a separate package? Did you check of X11 dependencies? At least some of the font settings depend on X11. I didn't have time to address

systemsettings, kde-cli-tools and other plasma components on non-Plasma/non-X11 platforms

2015-12-21 Thread René J . V . Bertin
Hello, This has been pending for a while, ever since we (= KDE/Mac) learned that the kde4-workspace package was split up and integrated into KF5 Plasma, but it may actually be relevant beyond "Plasma vs. the rest of the world" questions. I hope this can be discussed with a sufficient amount of