Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

maybe the boy was born yesterday ;)). i don't see anything lame about the analogy, i would have said the same to someone who barely knows about 64bit processing. cheers! jan gestre wrote: > > > On Nov 30, 2007 10:50 AM, Ian Dexter R. Marquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wr

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

On Nov 30, 2007 10:50 AM, Ian Dexter R. Marquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Okay, stop there. You don't know Jan (I do, personally -- having > worked with him before -- but that's beside the point), so you can't > go about making a personal attack. Stick to the topic, please. And if > you hav

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

WOW! Thanks guys! Learned a lot! Although misunderstandings are always best avoided. I am actually proud that PLUGgers actually take giving advice this seriously. MABUHAY ang open source, mabuhay ang open community! PS I actually bragged to my wife about the lists' enthusiasm to my question. Very

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

On Nov 27, 2007 5:10 PM, Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 27, 2007 4:34 PM, Michael Tinsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .. > > A 64-bit processor means that it can fetch memory 64 bits at a time > compared > > to a 32-bit machine which fetches 32 bits at a time. Offhand, fetchin

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On Nov 30, 2007 2:24 AM, franz A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > didn't you get it? i was being sarcastic. I KNOW YOU'RE BEING SARCASTIC, YOU WOULDN'T SOUND LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT. SO YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I'M CAPABLE OF? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL, JUST NAME THE TIME AND

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On Nov 30, 2007 2:24 AM, franz A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > didn't you get it? i was being sarcastic. i posted the wikipedia link > because its far more better than your lame or rather pathetic analogy. its > the same thing with your blog. a technical blog that has posts that you can > actually r

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

didn't you get it? i was being sarcastic. i posted the wikipedia link because its far more better than your lame or rather pathetic analogy. its the same thing with your blog. a technical blog that has posts that you can actually read on other sites and docs. be different. post something that is ou

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#32_vs_64_bit >> you really believe that everything in wikipedia.org is correct? remeber this: [edit]? On Nov 28, 2007 12:06 PM, franz A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wow. are you mad? yea, i have a better idea than your lame analogy. goto > -> http://en.wikipedi

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

Actually, It has been there since Solaris 8 (lower versions, don't know). Example, You can have the same utility: * SUNWvolu <==32bit version * SUNWvolux <== 64bit version Installed at the same time. In fact, some 3rd party vendors exploit this fact to install 32/64bit kernel drivers and diff

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it's actually possible to run both 32-bit and 64-bit executables at the same time on a supported OS. Solaris 10 does this, to the best of my knowledge (just use LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH32 appropriately). Ditto for AIX 5.3. Don't know about Linux or Windows 64-bit though I expect th

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On Nov 27, 2007 12:45 AM, Danny Ching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My question is: What advantage does 64 bit > CPU's like the Intel Core 2 Duos, or AMD x2's have over vanilla 32 bit CPU's > (if both have say 2GB of RAM)? If 2Gb of RAM, Small difference... 32bit CPU (legacy mode) will be faster of

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For analogy, I think the car analogy may have just lacked elaboration and isn't lame (do you want flame wars? just decently say you don't appreciate the provided example and move on with your life beyond the confines of your computer). Here's my understanding of Mr. Gestre's car analogy: Granted t

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On Nov 28, 2007 9:06 AM, franz A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wow. are you mad? yea, i have a better idea than your lame analogy. goto > -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#32_vs_64_bit . > > I'm not mad, I'm not that shallow. So that your idea, someone else's definition, I thought you're that

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wow. are you mad? yea, i have a better idea than your lame analogy. goto -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#32_vs_64_bit . On Nov 28, 2007 11:02 PM, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 2007 3:12 PM, franz A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > wow, that's really lame analogy..

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On Nov 28, 2007 3:12 PM, franz A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wow, that's really lame analogy.. you should post that in 64bit computing > for dummies forums .. The OP said that he's ignorant when it comes to hardware so that's why the simple analogy, if you have a better idea then let him know!

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Regarding 32-bit vs. 64-bit "does-it-matter-on-the-desktop" issues http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070829-microsoft-issues-fix-for-vista-graphics-memory-overflows.html Some background on the 32-bit memory mappings for Windows: http://www.brianmadden.com/content/article/The-4GB-Windows-Memo

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i know. Was aiming for the low end of the spectrum given the generality of the original question. i mean--- if it /was specifically/ a server question, it would have been how is the performance of xeons v. opterons and not 64-bit v. 32-bit. ;) On Nov 28, 2007 4:31 PM, Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTEC

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yes i know. this is better and very detailed compared to that short and lame analogy. On Nov 28, 2007 4:14 PM, Cocoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the short analogy is that between 64-bit v. 32-bit, think of 64-bit > processors as the "more efficient" engine that burns fuel better than good > old

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I think most people on this list are interested in SERVERS. If you're talking desktop, then 64-bit computing will probably not do much for you. Things like the Flash plugin are desktop-isms. In the server world, 4GB is not huge. 64GB is upper-middle class. 1TB is huge. And there, the advantages (

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the short analogy is that between 64-bit v. 32-bit, think of 64-bit processors as the "more efficient" engine that burns fuel better than good old 32-bit. it makes great economic sense to go with the newer technology, (64-bit and dual core) because sooner or later software is going to catch up with

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wow, that's really lame analogy.. you should post that in 64bit computing for dummies forums .. On Nov 27, 2007 3:57 PM, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > On Nov 26, 2007 9:45 PM, Danny Ching < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, Linux Users! > > > > I'm a software guy, so pardon my ignor

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Hi! If you're on to speed stuff, consider your MoBo and your hard disk and your applications are design for 64 bit processors. On Nov 27, 2007 5:10 PM, Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 27, 2007 4:34 PM, Michael Tinsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .. > > A 64-bit processor me

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

On Nov 27, 2007 4:34 PM, Michael Tinsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .. > A 64-bit processor means that it can fetch memory 64 bits at a time compared > to a 32-bit machine which fetches 32 bits at a time. Offhand, fetching from > main memory to cache should take less time. Yes -- but -- ultimately

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' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:45:10 PM Subject: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit Hello, Linux Users! I'm a software guy, so pardon my ignorance in hardware. I know that 64bit can access more memory, and that 64bit is supposed to make multimedia proc

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:45:42 +0800 "Orlando Andico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not really true. When running in 64-bit mode, the cache is > effectively halved. This is true, but I wonder how that balances out for CPU-intensive code given the fact that the compiler has more registers to

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

On Nov 26, 2007 9:45 PM, Danny Ching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, Linux Users! > > I'm a software guy, so pardon my ignorance in hardware. > > I know that 64bit can access more memory, and that 64bit is supposed to make > multimedia processing faster. My question is: What advantage does 64 b

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This is not really true. When running in 64-bit mode, the cache is effectively halved. It's no accident that higher-end Conroe processors have 2MB of cache. On a given CPU with a given amount of cache, 32-bit mode will GENERALLY be faster so long as you're not using PAE, it's all cache-dependent.

Re: [plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

On Tuesday 27 November 2007 1:45:10 pm Danny Ching wrote: > I know that 64bit can access more memory, and that 64bit is supposed to > make multimedia processing faster. My question is: What advantage does 64 > bit CPU's like the Intel Core 2 Duos, or AMD x2's have over vanilla 32 bit > CPU's (if bo

[plug] 64bit vs. 32bit

Hello, Linux Users! I'm a software guy, so pardon my ignorance in hardware. I know that 64bit can access more memory, and that 64bit is supposed to make multimedia processing faster. My question is: What advantage does 64 bit CPU's like the Intel Core 2 Duos, or AMD x2's have over vanilla 32 bit