[PLUG] Moved to PLUG-TALK Re: The Patent Show

2011-07-26 Thread Keith Lofstrom
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Michael R wrote: > >Summary: Venture capitalists have heavily invested in patent ownership On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:45:19AM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > Which is why some folks have tried to push patents back to things and not Reply on plug-talk, please. This is only

Re: [PLUG] [Eug-lug] make question

2011-07-26 Thread Mike Cherba
Yup. That did the trick. I was getting hung up on trying to remove the need for the Makefile.a and Makefile.b instead of just making their use transparent. -Thanks, -Mike On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Mike Cherba wrote: > Thanks Bob. I was thinking about trying something

Re: [PLUG] [Eug-lug] make question

2011-07-26 Thread Mike Cherba
Thanks Bob. I was thinking about trying something similar but hadn't gotten around to it yet. I'll give that a shot. -Mike On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Bob Miller wrote: > mytargeta: >$(MAKE) -f Makefile.a mytarget > > mytargetb: >$(MAKE) -f Makefile.b mytarget >

Re: [PLUG] make question

2011-07-26 Thread Galen Seitz
Mike Cherba wrote: > I've got a make question I'm hoping someone can help me with. > > I have three Makefiles > > Makefile.a > Makefile.b > and Makefile > > Makefile contains all the real targets and the .a and .b files simply export > a couple of variables and include Makefile. I want to elimi

[PLUG] make question

2011-07-26 Thread Mike Cherba
I've got a make question I'm hoping someone can help me with. I have three Makefiles Makefile.a Makefile.b and Makefile Makefile contains all the real targets and the .a and .b files simply export a couple of variables and include Makefile. I want to eliminate Makefile.a and Makefile.b by perfo

Re: [PLUG] THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show

2011-07-26 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Michael R wrote: > The USPTO didn't allow them to be patented until the court system > insisted. Some saw the potential for profit and successfully sued the > patent office into granting software and business process patents. Oh. No further comments necessary. Rich __

Re: [PLUG] THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show

2011-07-26 Thread Michael R
Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Michael R wrote: > >> Summary: Venture capitalists have heavily invested in patent ownership >> companies that extort payment for patents they control. Scary because the >> USPO has issued thousands of patents for software ideas. As in "online >> backu

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread nathan w
Sorry if i gave the impression i was withholding info based on suspicions of nefarious purposes. I've seen enough of wes' posts on here to know better, but was honestly baffled about what legitimate purpose could be served by knowing more about a dns update than "72 hrs for delegation changes, 1

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:07:03 -0700 nathan w wrote: > > Why? This query reminds me of an article i read describing the > process of dns poisoning by pushing "updates" to a dns server at the > moment it updates... So again... Why do you want this? > >>

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, wes wrote: > thanks for doing all my work for me :) The work was done long ago; I too have occasion to check for updates on DNS servers I don't control. :-) -- Paul Heinlein <> heinl...@madboa.com <> http://www.madboa.com/ ___ PL

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread wes
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, wes wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a tool that can monitor DNS replies and notify on > > success/failure? > > > > Basically, I want to find out the moment a DNS server (that I do not > > control) has updated. > > Assu

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, wes wrote: > Does anyone know of a tool that can monitor DNS replies and notify on > success/failure? > > Basically, I want to find out the moment a DNS server (that I do not > control) has updated. Assuming the DNS server in question has an IPv4 address of 12.13.14.15 and t

Re: [PLUG] THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show

2011-07-26 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Michael R wrote: > Summary: Venture capitalists have heavily invested in patent ownership > companies that extort payment for patents they control. Scary because the > USPO has issued thousands of patents for software ideas. As in "online > backup" is covered by over 3,000 pat

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Martin A. Brown
Hello there, : I have a customer that is waiting on a DNS update for his site to : start working. He's bugging my guys constantly, so I promised him : we'd call him the moment it "works." Currently, I'm checking his : DNS server every few minutes manually. If I could automate this : to a

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Fred James
wes wrote: > I have a customer that is waiting on a DNS update for his site to start > working. He's bugging my guys constantly, so I promised him we'd call him > the moment it "works." Currently, I'm checking his DNS server every few > minutes manually. If I could automate this to alert me when it

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread wes
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michael R wrote: > > > > wes wrote: > > I have a customer that is waiting on a DNS update > for his site to start > > working. He's bugging my guys constantly, so I > promised him we'd call him > > the moment it "works." > Currently, I'm checking his DNS server e

Re: [PLUG] THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show

2011-07-26 Thread Michael R
Galen Seitz wrote: > Keith Lofstrom wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:40:15PM -0700, Galen Seitz wrote: >>> THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show >>> Sun, July 24, 10am. Why would a company rent an office in a tiny town >>> in East Texas, put a nameplate on the door ... and then leave it >>> co

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:43, wes wrote: > Does anyone know of a tool that can monitor DNS replies and notify on > success/failure? Nagios includes the tools you need here. You could either use the whole stack (which I would recommend anyway, if you have this sort of client issue), or just use

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread Michael R
wes wrote: > I have a customer that is waiting on a DNS update for his site to start > working. He's bugging my guys constantly, so I promised him we'd call him > the moment it "works." Currently, I'm checking his DNS server every few > minutes manually. If I could automate this to alert me when

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread wes
I have a customer that is waiting on a DNS update for his site to start working. He's bugging my guys constantly, so I promised him we'd call him the moment it "works." Currently, I'm checking his DNS server every few minutes manually. If I could automate this to alert me when it's updated, we coul

Re: [PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread nathan w
Why? This query reminds me of an article i read describing the process of dns poisoning by pushing "updates" to a dns server at the moment it updates... So again... Why do you want this? - Reply message - From: "wes" To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help,civil and on-topic"

[PLUG] dns monitor

2011-07-26 Thread wes
Does anyone know of a tool that can monitor DNS replies and notify on success/failure? Basically, I want to find out the moment a DNS server (that I do not control) has updated. thanks, -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdx

Re: [PLUG] ssh -X me@that

2011-07-26 Thread Matthew Gates
I have never seen this disown thing before - tried to man it and then found it's a bash builtin. I've been shell scripting for ages and today I learned something new and very useful, Thank you! On 26 July 2011 16:03, Sean Ellefson wrote: > You could try running the X program with nohup, or do s

Re: [PLUG] ssh -X me@that

2011-07-26 Thread Sean Ellefson
You could try running the X program with nohup, or do something like: $> evolution & disown that should start the process without using your shell as the parent. -- Sean ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/

Re: [PLUG] THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show

2011-07-26 Thread Galen Seitz
Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:40:15PM -0700, Galen Seitz wrote: >> THIS AMERICAN LIFE: The Patent Show >> Sun, July 24, 10am. Why would a company rent an office in a tiny town >> in East Texas, put a nameplate on the door ... and then leave it >> completely empty for a year?