Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-19 Thread Russell Senior
> "Russell" == Russell Senior writes: Russell> [...] We wrote a report, but I'm not sure where it's online Russell> anymore. http://smallwhitecube.com/pdfs/papers/unwirepdx.pdf -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-19 Thread Russell Senior
> "Chuck" == Chuck Hast writes: Chuck> The combination you mention here WiFi analyzer and Kismet are my Chuck> two favorite tools, I used to do RF surveys for utilities, so am Chuck> somewhat familiar with it, There are much more expensive tools Chuck> but those two will

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-19 Thread Russell Senior
> "wes" == wes writes: >> E.g. Wifi Analyzer app (on android), and walk around is the poor mans >> solution, inside. >> >> Outside, you can use GPS to provide location data with signal >> strength, e.g. with Kismet. GPS doesn't work very well (or at all) >> inside.

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Bill Barry
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 4:39 PM, wes wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Russell Senior > > wrote: > > > > "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen writes: > > > > Michael> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 01:38:11PM -0700, Michael

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Chuck Hast
The combination you mention here WiFi analyzer and Kismet are my two favorite tools, I used to do RF surveys for utilities, so am somewhat fam- iliar with it, There are much more expensive tools but those two will give you plenty to work with. On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Russell Senior

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Michael Dexter
On 5/18/16 4:39 PM, wes wrote: > who knows the whole story? where would we even begin to ask such questions? I did a quick search for such "services" and saw some around the country. I also talked to my Verizon contact and their "RF surveys" are more about their safety from high-power signals

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread wes
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen writes: > > Michael> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 01:38:11PM -0700, Michael Dexter wrote: > >> On 5/18/16 1:29 PM, wes wrote: > >> > I would also like to learn

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Russell Senior
> "Michael" == Michael Rasmussen writes: Michael> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 01:38:11PM -0700, Michael Dexter wrote: >> On 5/18/16 1:29 PM, wes wrote: >> > I would also like to learn more about how to conduct a survey of >> wireless > signaling. Perhaps this could be a

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 01:38:11PM -0700, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 5/18/16 1:29 PM, wes wrote: > > I would also like to learn more about how to conduct a survey of wireless > > signaling. Perhaps this could be a subject for a talk? > > +2 +3 -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Michael Dexter
On 5/18/16 1:29 PM, wes wrote: > I would also like to learn more about how to conduct a survey of wireless > signaling. Perhaps this could be a subject for a talk? +2 Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:16:29 -0700 Michael Dexter dijo: >On 5/18/16 11:43 AM, Mike C. wrote: >> Have you done a WiFi site survey with a heat map in the space where >> WiFi is being provided? I ask because you'd be really surprised by >> how different materials and

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread wes
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 5/18/16 11:43 AM, Mike C. wrote: > > Have you done a WiFi site survey with a heat map in the space where WiFi > is > > being provided? I ask because you'd be really surprised by how different > > materials and

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-18 Thread Michael Dexter
On 5/18/16 11:43 AM, Mike C. wrote: > Have you done a WiFi site survey with a heat map in the space where WiFi is > being provided? I ask because you'd be really surprised by how different > materials and obstacles affect the radio signal propagation pattern. Suggestions on a survey? Michael

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-17 Thread Russell Senior
The roof shouldn't matter. You bits aren't coming from space, generally (at least not until Keith has his way). Stucco is bad news for transmission between inside and outside, but if you have windows that aren't low-e glass like in modern office buildings, you should get plenty of rf intrusion

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-17 Thread Joe Shisei Niski
For me, there's no noticable difference on wifi, but cell phone (T-Mobile 3g) reception is so spotty I need to go out onto the porch to get a reliable voice connection. It's worth the hassle for never needing to re-roof in this lifetime. Joe Shisei

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-17 Thread Jeff Maher
Yes, it can. > On May 17, 2016, at 20:50, Michael Dexter wrote: > > > Hello, > > Might anyone know if a metal roof impact wifi and mobile support > support? Russell? > > Thanks! > > Michael > ___ > PLUG mailing list >

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-17 Thread Keith
Yes. A metal roof will effect the transmission of radio signals. On 05/17/2016 08:50 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > > Hello, > > Might anyone know if a metal roof impact wifi and mobile support > support? Russell? > > Thanks! > > Michael > ___ > PLUG

Re: [PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-17 Thread Louis Kowolowski
It certainly can. Any idea how thick it is? In a related note, 2 layers of chicken wire overlapped about 50% (with holes in the ~2” range) will do a great job isolating wifi and cell signals from the enclosed space. > On May 17, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Michael Dexter wrote:

[PLUG] Metal roofs and wireless?

2016-05-17 Thread Michael Dexter
Hello, Might anyone know if a metal roof impact wifi and mobile support support? Russell? Thanks! Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug