Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Alan Young
Paul Seamons wrote: PS - unmaintainable solution in perl perl -ne 'chop;@a=split;$n=grep{$t=abs($a[$_]-$a[$_-1]);!$t||$t[EMAIL PROTECTED] $#a;print$n?not a :,match\n' I wasn't going to do this but you got me thinking: perl -ape '$_=((grep{(abs($F[$_]-$F[$_-1])||@F+1)@F}1..$#F)?not a

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Steve
Why does perl code always remind me of explitives? On 11/2/06, Alan Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Seamons wrote: PS - unmaintainable solution in perl perl -ne 'chop;@a=split;$n=grep{$t=abs($a[$_]-$a[$_-1]);!$t||$t[EMAIL PROTECTED] $#a;print$n?not a :,match\n' I wasn't going to do

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Alan Young
perl -ape '$_=((grep{(abs($F[$_]-$F[$_-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])?not a :).match\n' /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Doran L. Barton
Steve wrote: Why does perl code always remind me of explitives? The whole one-liner code pheonomenon is a big thing in the Perl community because of Perl's TMTOWTDI characteristic. I think most good Perl programmers, however, appreciate the value of readability. I know Paul is a great Perl

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Seamons
On Thursday 02 November 2006 8:35 am, Alan Young wrote: perl -ape '$_=((grep{(abs($F[$_]-$F[$_-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])?not a :).match\n' Wow! Truly a thing of beauty. -a - who knew. Paul /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Seamons
Why does perl code always remind me of explitives? Purely subliminal. Take ANY one-liner in perl, translate to binary, bitshift 3 to the right, kill the incomplete terminal byte, load in as an unicode string and translate the resulting Chinese characters back into Engrish, and behold the

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Alan Young
Paul Seamons wrote: On Thursday 02 November 2006 8:35 am, Alan Young wrote: perl -ape '$_=((grep{(abs($F[$_]-$F[$_-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])?not a :).match\n' Wow! Truly a thing of beauty. -a - who knew. *blush* Thanks. My only problem with this method is that it goes through every

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Barry Roberts
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 11:20:45AM -0700, Josh Coates wrote: Sample Question 1 We are looking for sequences of n 0 integers where the absolute values of the differences of successive elements are included in the set of numbers 1 through n - 1. For instance, 4 1 2 3 I'm still a python

Orca vs Munin

2006-11-02 Thread Adam Fisher
What are the pro's and con's of Orca and Munin. Is there something else that just smokes the two. I have setup Munin before and love how fast it is and the fact that I can tie it back to Nagios. Thanks in advance, Adam /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe:

More on Perl Golf (was $10K deathmatch)

2006-11-02 Thread Alan Young
Here's a solution that short circuits as soon as the comparison is larger than n: perl -ape '$_=match\n;$i=1;while($i@F){((abs($F[$i]-$F[$i-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])($_=not a $_)([EMAIL PROTECTED]);$i++}' Not as elegant as the others perhaps ... /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:57:41 -0500, Barry Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm still a python novice, but I thouhgt it would be fun to post a python solution just for discussion. Your python reference appears to be about 5 years old. :) Here's a translation that uses some newer features.

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Dave Smith
Jonathan Ellis wrote: Your python reference appears to be about 5 years old. :) Here's a translation that uses some newer features. Untested, YMMV. Hmm... Do BDS employees have to win the deathmatch to *retain* their employment? ;) --Dave /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:13:34 -0800, Jonathan Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:57:41 -0500, Barry Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm still a python novice, but I thouhgt it would be fun to post a python solution just for discussion. Your python reference appears to be

Re: More on Perl Golf (was $10K deathmatch)

2006-11-02 Thread Jacob Fugal
On 11/2/06, Alan Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perl -ape '$_=match\n;$i=1;while($i@F){((abs($F[$i]-$F[$i-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])($_=not a $_)([EMAIL PROTECTED]);$i++}' perl -ape '$_=match\n;$i=0;while(++$i@F){((abs($F[$i]-$F[$i-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])($_=not a $_)last}' I was tempted

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:35:56AM -0700, Alan Young wrote: perl -ape '$_=((grep{(abs($F[$_]-$F[$_-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])?not a ^^^ Speaking of code monkeys -- Charles Curley /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Chris Carey
Some slight improvements to the PHP version $i = split(\n, fread(fopen('php://stdin','r'), 8192)); foreach($i as $l) { $u = split( ,$l); $s = count($u); if (strlen(trim($u[0])) == 0) echo(not a ); for($n=0;$n$s-1;$n++) { if (abs($u[$n] - $u[$n+1])

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Chris Carey
and PHP as one-line $i = split(\n, fread(fopen('php://stdin','r'), 8192)); foreach($i as $l) { $u = split( ,$l); $s = count($u); if (strlen(trim($u[0])) == 0) echo(not a ); for($n=0;$n$s-1;$n++) { if (abs($u[$n] - $u[$n+1]) $s) { printf(not a ); break; } } printf(match\n); } /* PLUG:

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Alan Young
Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:35:56AM -0700, Alan Young wrote: perl -ape '$_=((grep{(abs($F[$_]-$F[$_-1])||@F)[EMAIL PROTECTED])?not a ^^^ Speaking of code monkeys... Heh. Nice to know someone noticed. :] /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Daniel C.
Which implementation of Lisp will be used? Dan On 11/1/06, Josh Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, just a notice that this saturday we (berkeley data systems) will be hosting a utah-resident-only coding contest. we will be awarding the winner w/ a $10K prize. see details and a couple

RE: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Hill, Greg
iPhoto is amazing. You can tag each picture and make albums on the fly and instant slideshows. I love it. I think you can even post to a photo blog with it, but I have not tried it yet. I am still using Gallery2 for online photo sharing. My wife shared your love of iPhoto until it deleted

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Ryan Simpkins
On Thu, November 2, 2006 12:49, Jonathan Duncan wrote: On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Ryan Simpkins wrote: I'd like to get some opinions from everyone about how they organize their digital photo collections. Right now I am using gallery2 and I'm not happy with how I started. I have about 1,000

Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
...that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software Exactly what does this mean? --- http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/02/technology/microsoft_novell.reut/index.htm November 2 2006: 3:13 PM EST SEATTLE (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. is entering into an

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Steve
Woot! MS Linux here we come! On 11/2/06, Grant Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software Exactly what does this mean? --- http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/02/technology/microsoft_novell.reut/index.htm November

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Steve Dibb
Grant Shipley wrote: ...that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software Meh, probably has something to do with Mono. Who knows. I'm glad MS is being gracious enough to permit FOSS to run on Windows though. Free press. Steve /* PLUG:

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Steve
Extend, Embrace, Thrust pointy end. On 11/2/06, Steve Dibb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Shipley wrote: ...that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software Meh, probably has something to do with Mono. Who knows. I'm glad MS is being gracious enough to

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Christer Edwards
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 15:53 -0500, Grant Shipley wrote: SEATTLE (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. is entering into an agreement with Novell Inc. that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday. Why does this

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
My wife shared your love of iPhoto until it deleted all of her photos when she upgraded to a newer version. Yeah, she was a bit miffed about that. She lost several hundred photos that hadn't been backed up. She uses Adobe Bridge mostly now. I would never trust digital assets to any

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Jared Bellows
On 11/2/06, Christer Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 15:53 -0500, Grant Shipley wrote: SEATTLE (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. is entering into an agreement with Novell Inc. that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software, The Wall

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Josh Coates on Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:20:45 MST: We are looking for sequences of n 0 integers where the absolute values of the differences of successive elements are included in the set of numbers 1 through n - 1. For instance, Shouldn't this be more like: ... where the

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
On 11/2/06, Jonathan Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iPhoto is amazing. You can tag each picture and make albums on the fly and instant slideshows. I love it. I think you can even post to a photo blog with it, but I have not tried it yet. I am still using Gallery2 for online photo sharing.

RE: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Hill, Greg
Do I have a point? Not really. I guess just be careful with any of those programs that claim control over your existing files like iPhoto does. What do you mean by claim control? iPhoto modifies the files and hides away the data to some internal location (at least it used to, it may

RE: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Jonathan Duncan
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Hill, Greg wrote: iPhoto is amazing. You can tag each picture and make albums on the fly and instant slideshows. I love it. I think you can even post to a photo blog with it, but I have not tried it yet. I am still using Gallery2 for online photo sharing. My

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
On 11/2/06, Hill, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: location (at least it used to, it may not any more). Once you import, you can no longer directly access your files in the filesystem (they're all 0 bytes). Of course, she may have done something to cause this, but all she knows she did was

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
iPhoto modifies the files and hides away the data to some internal location (at least it used to, it may not any more). Once you import, you can no longer directly access your files in the filesystem (they're all 0 bytes). Of course, she may have done something to cause this, but all she

RE: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Hill, Greg
I just realized that this really does not fit with FOSS, since iPhoto is not free, unless you have a Mac. Sorry. It still isn't free. It costs money for the iLife suite, although new Macs come with it bundled. OS:X isn't free, either. Greg /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Robinson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:40 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: On 11/2/06, Jonathan Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iPhoto is amazing. You can tag each picture and make albums on the fly and instant slideshows. I love it. I think you can even post to a photo blog with it, but I have not tried it yet.

BASH script quote problem

2006-11-02 Thread Scott Morris
I have this bash script, as follows: #!/bin/sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBJECT=Running on `hostname` ls | mail -s $SUBJECT - sent $RECIP I do get the mail at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, but the subject is only Running, and it has been sent to other recipients, which correspond to the words missing

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Josh Coates on Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:20:45 MST: We are looking for sequences of n 0 integers where the absolute values of the differences of successive elements are included in the set of numbers 1 through n - 1. For instance, I think I see the confusion in my last

Re: BASH script quote problem

2006-11-02 Thread Michael A. Cleverly
On 11/2/06, Scott Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this bash script, as follows: #!/bin/sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBJECT=Running on `hostname` ls | mail -s $SUBJECT - sent $RECIP Try ls | mail -s $SUBJECT - sent $RECIP or ls | mail -s \$SUBJECT\ - sent $RECIP instead. Michael /* PLUG:

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
On 11/2/06, Grant Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Settle down, pal. The original poster never specified that it had to be open-source, nor that it had to run on Linux. One might assume that, based on the list being posted to, but it was never made clear. Or --- one could assume it from

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Robinson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: On 11/2/06, Hill, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: location (at least it used to, it may not any more). Once you import, you can no longer directly access your files in the filesystem (they're all 0 bytes). Of course, she may have done

Re: BASH script quote problem

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Scott Morris on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:59:49 MST: Any thoughts on how this could be accomplished? How about: #!/bin/sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls | mail -s Running on `hostname` - sent $RECIP Andy -- [---[system uptime]] 3:06pm up 4

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
On 11/2/06, Grant Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the real question is, why so much animosity? Seriously, pal, did Steve Jobs run off with your girlfriend or something? :) No he didn't. :) Why the animosity? Good question. I have always worked at open source companies. I

Re: BASH script quote problem

2006-11-02 Thread Michael A. Cleverly
On 11/2/06, Andy Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus said Scott Morris on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:59:49 MST: Any thoughts on how this could be accomplished? How about: #!/bin/sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls | mail -s Running on `hostname` - sent $RECIP Or even: ls | mail -s Running on $HOSTNAME -

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Blake Barnett
On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Grant Robinson wrote: On Nov 2, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: On 11/2/06, Hill, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: location (at least it used to, it may not any more). Once you import, you can no longer directly access your files in the filesystem

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Robinson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: On 11/2/06, Grant Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Settle down, pal. The original poster never specified that it had to be open-source, nor that it had to run on Linux. One might assume that, based on the list being posted to, but it was

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
On 11/2/06, Grant Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always find this to be a funny statement. Looking at the source code would take WAY more time then just looking at the filesystem. Unless you are a contributing member of the project, looking at the source code of just about anything can be

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Robinson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: Why the animosity? Good question. I have always worked at open source companies. I currently write open source software for a living. I guess it comes down to firmly believing in what I do every day. And that is most often a good thing.

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Shipley
On 11/2/06, Grant Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, FOSS runs on other platforms besides linux, which was also part of your sarcastic comment. agreed. Lastly, handing out alternative solutions is widely done on plug. Witness the many threads of How do I do x with Fedora Core

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Robinson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: On 11/2/06, Grant Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always find this to be a funny statement. Looking at the source code would take WAY more time then just looking at the filesystem. Unless you are a contributing member of the project,

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Shane Hathaway
Andy Bradford wrote: So, your first example: 4 1 2 3 Would have resulted in { 3 1 1 } but since 3 was not in { 4 1 2 }, I was getting no match. Of course when matching against { 1 2 3 } there is a match. Eh? I'm not sure you understand the problem correctly. The problem is just

RE: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Josh Coates
Which implementation of Lisp will be used? common lisp, scheme and of course ucblogo. -josh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel C. Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:08 PM To: Provo Linux Users Group Mailing List Subject:

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Grant Robinson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote: snip I think that you probably meant not everyone who uses Gentoo is a masochist. In which case I must be looking forward to being drawn, quartered, and hung, since I use both Gentoo and Mac OS X. =) Yeah, that is what I meant. :)

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Shane Hathaway on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:30:02 MST: Eh? I'm not sure you understand the problem correctly. I didn't at first, which is why I posted my first message. By the time I posted my second message I thought I understood it, but I could still be wrong. My question was about which

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Andy Bradford on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:23:05 MST: We are looking for sequences with n 0 elements where the absolute values of the differences of successive elements are all less than n elements - 1 and greater than 1? Er, I meant ``... greater than or equal to 1.'' Andy --

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Shane Hathaway
Andy Bradford wrote: Doesn't this say to check the absolute value of the difference between two numbers in a sequence against a set of numbers 1, ... n-1? I suppose one could infer that this is a test for the maximum variance of any two integers in the sequence against one less than the

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Shane Hathaway on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:34:45 MST: Josh's explanation is mathematically precise and concise, but not easy to grasp without reading it over a couple of times. Some imprecise inference often helps. So, unless I'm reading my Python code incorrectly, it would appear

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Barry Roberts
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 05:20:21PM -0700, Andy Bradford wrote: So, unless I'm reading my Python code incorrectly, it would appear that I'm not the only one that misinterpreted which sequence should be used when making the comparision. Yep. I interpreted it incorrectly. Barry /* PLUG:

RE: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Josh Coates
Yep. I interpreted it incorrectly. sorry about the terse problem descriptions. just about every problem will have sample input and sample output - the intention is to help clarify the problem. registration begins tomorrow. good luck everyone, and have fun. ;-) -josh -Original

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Shane Hathaway
Andy Bradford wrote: So, unless I'm reading my Python code incorrectly, it would appear that I'm not the only one that misinterpreted which sequence should be used when making the comparision. Actually, Josh used sequence in one part of the sentence and set in the other, which is enough

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Barry Roberts
This, I believe, is a correct Python implementation: #!/usr/bin/python import sys, string; for currLine in sys.stdin: nums = map(int, string.split(string.strip(currLine), ' ')) for ind in range(len(nums)-1): diff=abs(nums[ind]-nums[ind+1]) if diff == 0 or diff =

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Barry Roberts on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:40:49 EST: On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 05:20:21PM -0700, Andy Bradford wrote: So, unless I'm reading my Python code incorrectly, it would appear that I'm not the only one that misinterpreted which sequence should be used when making the

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 15:53 -0500, Grant Shipley wrote: Exactly what does this mean? It's BIG. http://www.novell.com/news/press/item.jsp?id=1196 http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/webcast.html

Re: $10K coding deathmatch

2006-11-02 Thread Michael A. Cleverly
On 11/2/06, Andy Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, here's a tally of runtimes on my PC: Python: .045ms on average Tcl [1]: .016ms on average Perl: .0125ms on average Looks like Perl wins out on speed. I didn't have PHP installed (who uses PHP for scripting anyways) so someone else

Re: Successful SSH Attack - Need help cleaning up

2006-11-02 Thread Gary Thornock
--- Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, /var/log/secure will contain logs for the ssh server. That depends on the distribution. Red Hat and its derivatives use /var/log/secure. FreeBSD uses /var/log/auth.log, and I think Debian does, too. SuSE uses /var/log/messages. I have no idea

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 20:11 -0700, Gabriel Gunderson wrote: I haven't read it all yet. I don't yet know what to think. The more I read about the patent agreements and IP issues, the more this starts smelling fishy. It looks like it sets up Novell as the only Linux distributor that will be

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Christer Edwards
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 20:58 -0700, Gabriel Gunderson wrote: On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 20:11 -0700, Gabriel Gunderson wrote: I haven't read it all yet. I don't yet know what to think. The more I read about the patent agreements and IP issues, the more this starts smelling fishy. It looks like

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:11:48PM -0700, Gabriel Gunderson wrote: On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 15:53 -0500, Grant Shipley wrote: Exactly what does this mean? It's BIG. http://www.novell.com/news/press/item.jsp?id=1196 http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Christer Edwards
Thats the great thing about plug. My point was, we are a linux users group and should not be suggesting applications that are not FOSS. I just find it funny that a good portion of linux community (generalization, wave hands, wave hands again) have decided that using OS-X is a suitable

Re: BASH script quote problem

2006-11-02 Thread Scott Morris
Michael A. Cleverly wrote: On 11/2/06, Andy Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus said Scott Morris on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:59:49 MST: Any thoughts on how this could be accomplished? How about: #!/bin/sh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls | mail -s Running on `hostname` - sent $RECIP Or even:

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Doran L. Barton
Grant Shipley wrote: ...that will allow open-source Linux software to work with the company's Windows software Exactly what does this mean? Like others, I'm not really sure either of the long-term implications, but I do know one thing: This doesn't seem like the kind of move you'd ever see

Re: How to Organize Photo Collection with FOSS

2006-11-02 Thread Levi Pearson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Christer Edwards wrote: Maybe I have stars in my eyes and sing nightly with RMS or maybe I should step off of my high horse and realize most linux applications suck. I think they call people like you and I zealots. Those that sing praises with RMS and only

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Levi Pearson
On Nov 2, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Charles Curley wrote: I find one thing disconcerting. According to the Open Letter (http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html): # Office Open XML * Novell engineers have been working for the last year together with

Re: Microsoft, Novell reported in Linux accord

2006-11-02 Thread Jesse Stay
On Nov 2, 2006, at 11:03 PM, Levi Pearson wrote: You must be looking at this through some weird, distorted Free Software glasses or something. Clearly Open Document is Betamax and Microsoft's new Open XML standard is VHS. Betamax vs. VHS was all about market share, and in the real world,