On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:50:54PM -0700, Justin Findlay wrote:
> I've decided to relinquish for now the pursuit of the ideal handheld
> device and get a laptop. Here are my requirements for such laptop:
>
> 0. small
> 1. small
> 2. cheap
> 3. diminutive
> 4. durable
> 5. can run linux
>
Shar
On AD 2007 February 14 Wednesday 11:53:40 PM -0700, justin wrote:
> 1. cheap
> 2. reliable
> 3. fast
For this one I'm firmly in the cheap and reliable demographic.
Justin
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On 2/14/07, Justin Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here are my requirements for such laptop:
0. small
1. small
2. cheap
3. diminutive
4. durable
5. can run linux
I have a friend that races two stroke scooters. He says the cardinal
rule of two-stroke tuning is this:
1. cheap
2. reliable
3.
So I just caught wind that DST starts earlier and ends later starting
this year. I wish they'd just get rid of it altogether, but no it's much
more fun to mess everything up.
I imagine something will need ot be patched/upgraded in order to deal
with this. What is it? The kernel? libc? Some timezo
On 2/14/07, Justin Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've decided to relinquish for now the pursuit of the ideal handheld
device and get a laptop. Here are my requirements for such laptop:
0. small
1. small
2. cheap
3. diminutive
4. durable
5. can run linux
As you can see I want something sma
On 2/14/07, Justin Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As you can see I want something smaller than the usual laptop deal.
Does anybody either have or know where to get a machine meeting these
requirements either new or used?
One of the guys I work with has a tiny Sony Vaio with Linux as the
pri
On AD 2007 February 14 Wednesday 04:41:37 PM -0700, Kenneth Burgener wrote:
> I am hoping someone could settle a minor debate.
I vote Multics.
(When you don't know anything, go with Multics.)
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I've decided to relinquish for now the pursuit of the ideal handheld
device and get a laptop. Here are my requirements for such laptop:
0. small
1. small
2. cheap
3. diminutive
4. durable
5. can run linux
As you can see I want something smaller than the usual laptop deal.
Does anybody either h
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 04:29:01PM -0700, Steve wrote:
> Since there is already a thread going on best language to learn, I
> figured I'ld stoke the flames a little more and break out some
> marshmallows.
>
> I'm curious in the collective wisdom of the LUG, whats the worst
> language you've ever u
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:48:14PM -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote:
>
> 4. I find Python to be clean and consistent all the way through, or at
> least as much as any programming language can be. Certain themes show
> up in many different places, such as dictionaries. A namespace is just
> a dictiona
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 16:46 -0700, Brian Hawkins wrote:
> I have to second the motion for VB. I had to do some stuff in VB 6 and
> I swear in order to program in it you had to dumb yourself down. I
> would do things that logically made sense in other languages but would
> not work in VB. It's
Why would the QB language be anymore inherently difficult to write an
RPG in than C? (Other than the 64k limit which is not a language limit
per se).
Uhh actually I was reffering to a language called RPG, which when I
was 12 years old, I believed was meant for programming RPG's in.
http://en.w
Nope IBM
http://search400.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid3_gci962874,00.html?topic=299121
On 2/14/07, Jason Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 17:02, Jake Pollmann wrote:
> > Does anyone know which commercial I am talking about, and know if Google
> > Video
On 2/14/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 17:14, Levi Pearson wrote:
> Actually, if you want to take a look at some examples, here's where
> you can find some: http://ftp.pennmush.org/MUSHcode/
>
> Be warned; it's pretty ugly!
Aaaah! My eyes! My eyes!
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 16:29 -0700, Steve wrote:
> QBasic, in 1990 something or other, I spent a year writing a game,
> only to find out that it had a 64k memory limitation, then I had to
> umm borrow a copy of QuickBasic just to get it to run.
QBasic was limited, yes. But the language was fine. I
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 17:02, Jake Pollmann wrote:
> > Does anyone know which commercial I am talking about, and know if Google
> > Video or YouTube or someone might have it?
>
> My vote is UPS.
UPS, possibly USPS
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> Yeah, this is where we are at here as well. Everyone has seen it, but
> everyone has a different idea who made it. I am really hopping to
find
> a video so I can put this to rest.
Well, if I'm thinking of the same commercial, it definitely showed a
server room. I also seem to recall it being
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 17:14, Levi Pearson wrote:
> Actually, if you want to take a look at some examples, here's where
> you can find some: http://ftp.pennmush.org/MUSHcode/
>
> Be warned; it's pretty ugly!
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On 2/14/07, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anyone got a worst language ever!
Well, I managed to steer clear of most really bad languages, but
here's a couple of the worst I've used.
Applesoft BASIC: Not so much bad as extremely primitive. Numbering
your lines is a pain, lack of variable sc
Does anyone know which commercial I am talking about, and know if Google
Video or YouTube or someone might have it?
My vote is UPS.
Jake
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Hill, Greg wrote:
>> It was a commercial for an IBM server, darned if I remember which one
>> though.
>
> I thought it was a commercial for Windows Server 2003, but maybe I'm
> mixing it up with another one.
Yeah, this is where we are at here as well. Everyone has seen it, but
everyone has a di
On 2/14/07, Nicholas Leippe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just curious. I've been curious to learn python, (but haven't had the
time/opportunity yet), but then I ran across boo, which looked extremely
interesting to me.
Has anyone tried boo?
(It has python-like syntax, compiles to the .NET/mono C
> It was a commercial for an IBM server, darned if I remember which one
> though.
I thought it was a commercial for Windows Server 2003, but maybe I'm
mixing it up with another one.
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I have to second the motion for VB. I had to do some stuff in VB 6 and
I swear in order to program in it you had to dumb yourself down. I
would do things that logically made sense in other languages but would
not work in VB. It's like the language encourages bad program design
and style.
B
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:37:34 -0700, "Nicholas Leippe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Just curious. I've been curious to learn python, (but haven't had the
> time/opportunity yet), but then I ran across boo, which looked extremely
> interesting to me.
>
> Has anyone tried boo?
One of the python UG
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 at 16:29 -0700, Michael L Torrie wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 15:48 -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> > Sure, Python isn't perfect. But it's so simple that I always feel like
> > I know where the imperfections are, and I write code without worrying
> > about them.
>
> Thought I'
It was a commercial for an IBM server, darned if I remember which one though.
On 2/14/07, Kenneth Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am hoping someone could settle a minor debate.
There was a commercial where this business was watching some sort of
sales/transaction counter. It increments e
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel C. wrote:
> On 2/14/07, Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Maybe ruby is like
> >> IPv6, it's the next big thing but we're spending too much keeping the
> >> older stuff working (and making it work better) to give it a decent
> >> chance.
> >
> >No
I am hoping someone could settle a minor debate.
There was a commercial where this business was watching some sort of
sales/transaction counter. It increments ever so slowly, and the group
cheers. Then it incremented again, and again, and then out of nowhere
it is blazing by at light speed. I t
So, here's my take on these three languages:
Perl is an accretion of very useful features glued together on top of
a fairly elegant, nearly Lisp-like core. However, the accretive
nature shows itself quite plainly; it's got 'awk'ward pieces and
'sed'iment littered throughout its syntax and semant
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 at 15:34 -0800, Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> QBasic and VBScript don't hold a candle to my candidate: Cache's
> ObjectScript, a descendant of MUMPS:
> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS.aspx
Incidentally, I've heard of MUMPS. We had a book on it in the house
growing
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:29:50 -0700, "Michael L Torrie"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Thought I'd interject with a few of my favorite things to hate about
> python.
>
> This often makes working with
> third-party libraries very painful. I had to run several python twisted
> networking apps in a debu
Just curious. I've been curious to learn python, (but haven't had the
time/opportunity yet), but then I ran across boo, which looked extremely
interesting to me.
Has anyone tried boo?
(It has python-like syntax, compiles to the .NET/mono CLI, and has some other
significant changes.)
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On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 16:29 -0700, Steve wrote:
> Specifically is there any language you have ever had to learn that you
> felt dumber for having learned/used it. Either because you expected
> it to handle something outside of it's problem domain and it didn't
> (or didn't handle it so well).
Vis
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:29:01 -0700, "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Since there is already a thread going on best language to learn, I
> figured I'ld stoke the flames a little more and break out some
> marshmallows.
>
> I'm curious in the collective wisdom of the LUG, whats the worst
> languag
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 15:48 -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> Sure, Python isn't perfect. But it's so simple that I always feel like
> I know where the imperfections are, and I write code without worrying
> about them.
Thought I'd interject with a few of my favorite things to hate about
python.
Most
Since there is already a thread going on best language to learn, I
figured I'ld stoke the flames a little more and break out some
marshmallows.
I'm curious in the collective wisdom of the LUG, whats the worst
language you've ever used and why.
Specifically is there any language you have ever had
On 2/14/07, Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe ruby is like
> IPv6, it's the next big thing but we're spending too much keeping the
> older stuff working (and making it work better) to give it a decent
> chance.
No, that's LISP!
Wait, is Lisp the old one that we're wasting resources
On 2/14/07, Jeff Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My recommendation would be to get good enough at Perl that you can whip
up a script when you need it, but continue using Java for those big
projects (since it sounds like you're well-versed in it already).
I think it should be a requirement
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 at 16:04 -0700, Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
> I've got a hunch that ruby is trendy and will go away due to lack of
> interest soon. I could be completely wrong about that. It just
> hasn't got a firm enough hold to really thrive.
I think you're probably wrong. If you substitute
Andrew wrote:
> Honestly almost any small project I want to hack up I usually turn to
> perl. Not because it's a great language but because it's easy for me
> to get something working in a small amount of time in perl.
>
> (snip)
>
> A few people have noted that perl is a great tool to have regar
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:30:41 -0700, "Bryan Sant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
I've written production code in all three languages you mention (the
Perl was a long time ago, but I have no desire to go back for a
refresher), and I prefer Python; I find it elegant but practical. My
second pick would be
> I agree with all of your points. You're preaching to the choir. I'm
> not suggesting that long names are a replacement for proper
> documentation. But descriptive names do help. My point was that
> Java's verbosity doesn't reduce readability it enhances it. I'm a
> professional, I document a
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a complete and total Java bigot...
Okay, I lied, I am. Java is the shiz-nigget. However, I'm honestly
wanting to invest in a new language for fun and profit.
Honestly, even though my license plate says "USE
If you want to learn a fun language that doesn't require an IDE and
minimal typing Perl is the language for you.
I would caution that if you do too much Perl programming you may become
less excited about Java at least that is what happened to me.
I found my self saying all the time Wow I wish y
On 2/14/07, Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Then you truly do not understand the world. The world is not Java vs. C
vs. the script kiddies.
Sure it is. Just read slashdot.
Perl is completely and utterly different from python and ruby at its
core (or vice versa as perl was here first).
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 14:30 -0700, Bryan Sant wrote:
> Python. Python is the front runner for me. I like speed and Python
> is comparatively fast. I like that Python is on most Linux systems
> (but no UNIX systems in the entire world).
Jython may be good for you. It's python implemented in J
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/14/07, Bart Whiteley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Merits of the language and run time environment aside, which community do
> you want to hang with? My experience is that python-heads are an agreeable
I'd like the enumerations of the merits
Disclaimer: avowed Perl bigot speaking.
Here's why I would learn Perl before the other two:
I have minimal experience with Ruby and Python, and so can't comment on
their abilities. But as for Perl, regardless of whatever language I may use
in the future, having the Perl tool in the my belt will
On 2/14/07, Andrew McNabb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anyway, those are just a few of those thoughts. Don't tear them apart
because I didn't try to write some proof of why Python is the greatest
thing in the world or something. This is just an attempt to identify a
few of the reasons why I seem
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 at 15:26 -0700, Bryan Sant wrote:
> It seems to me that Ruby/Perl/Python all fill the same niche.
Then you truly do not understand the world. The world is not Java vs. C
vs. the script kiddies.
> In my
> opinion, learning one of them gives you most of the benefit of any of
>
Alright, I used to be a major ruby fan boy. I would never consider programming
perl, ever. Then I graduated and had to get a job. Guess what? The only job
at the time was a job writing a web app with perl. So guess what, I now know
perl a lot better than ruby. I still love ruby and use it
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:39:58PM -0700, Bryan Sant wrote:
> On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Python, obviously.
>
> Why Python? Why not Ruby or Perl instead? What does Python have that
> they don't?
Why Python? It's the only language I've ever used that I like more the
mor
On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So I recommended Python as a suitably dumbed-down substitute.
Boohoo, I'm not smart enough for Lisp. At least I wont were out my (
and ) keys.
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On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm not on call to provide you with data on which to base your
Great. Bow out, and please let someone with some knowledge help inform me.
decisions. You presented three options, I told you which I'd do if I
were you. There's plenty of inform
On 2/14/07, Andrew Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think this is the wrong approach. You can't have a deep
comprehensive knowledge of a language without programming something
significant in it. Pick a project that you think you can stick with
long enough and then, I'm sorry to say it but
Alright. Now that wasn't fair. Here was my response to Jayce^:
:-)
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Date: Feb 14, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: I want to learn a new language...
To: Jason Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 2/14/07, Jason Ha
On 2/14/07, Jonathan Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Personally, I had the impression that Daniel was more of a Lisp guy, and
just liked Python best of your 3 finalists.
You are correct. When I first read that someone was looking for a new
language to learn, my first thought was "Lisp!". I w
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 14:57, you wrote:
> The first is one every Perl programmer should read. There are Perl
> programmers, and then there are Perl programmers that have read Perl
> Best Practices - you will see a firm standard in writing code by those
> that have read it. Their code will
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your comments hardly qualify as advice.
It wasn't my comment(s) that you were calling limp.
Also, I'm not an avid Python user.
I'm not on call to provide you with data on which to base your
decisions. You presented three options, I told you w
On 2/14/07, Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One good book that will help you love perl:
Perl Best Practices by Damian Conway
Also:
Higher Order Perl, by Mark Jason Dominus
Thank you. I'll take a look.
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:03:44 -0700, "Bryan Sant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > And then it goes limp.
> >
> > I love how you ask for advice and then spit on the advice people give.
>
> Your c
On 2/14/07, Michael Brailsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My problem with self-documenting code is that most people think their code is
self-documented. You shouldn't confuse long names with well documented code. Just
because you think something is self-documented doesn't mean a lot in 6 mont
On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And then it goes limp.
I love how you ask for advice and then spit on the advice people give.
Your comments hardly qualify as advice. I'm not asking you to write a
full on paper. I just figur
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 14:57, Bryan Sant wrote:
> Aside from Jayce, I like most Perl developers. They're practical and
> gritty.
Grit, wow, I didnt' think anybody else read that!
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On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Perl. I like the fact that Perl is everywhere. You can't swing a
dead cat by the tail without hitting into a Perl interpreter. I like
that Perl is mature. One word, CPAN. All of this is great, but I
DON'T like the whole, "there's more than on
On 2/14/07, Bart Whiteley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Merits of the language and run time environment aside, which community do
you want to hang with? My experience is that python-heads are an agreeable
I'd like the enumerations of the merits of the language/runtime
please. Community is import
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And then it goes limp.
I love how you ask for advice and then spit on the advice people give.
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On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Weak. You can't even tell my why you like the language you use.
Won't, not can't.
I'm not going to bash you
"weak" isn't bashing?
I need ... I'd like to know ... I'd like to hear ...
Sorry. Maybe someone else can meet your needs.
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On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
PS > Don't say, "You should use each one for what it's best at."
Screw that. I'm not interested in learning to create "Hello World" in
20 languages. I want to pick a language and acquire a deep
comprehensive knowledge of it. I'd rather be aweso
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 14:30, Bryan Sant wrote:
> I'd like to learn one of the following well: Python, Ruby, or Perl.
Main Considerations:
1) Who will you work with in learning? Obviously if more of your friends know
Perl, it's helpful to learn that, so they can guide you.
2) How much do
On 2/14/07, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Take it from me, python sucks, just not as hard as ruby.
Good. This started out well. I'd like to know why python sucks and
ruby even more so.
Actually all of your choices pretty much suck, I recommend writing a
language from scratch if you want
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Python, obviously.
Great. Your vigor is overwhelming. I require a little more
convincing that a one liner.
Why Python? Why not Ruby or Perl instead? What does Python have that
they don't?
My problem with self-documenting code is that most people think their code is
self-documented. You shouldn't confuse long names with well documented code.
Just because you think something is self-documented doesn't mean a lot in 6
months or even tomorrow to your co-worker. I have heard it sai
On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Great. Your vigor is overwhelming. I require a little more
> convincing that a one liner.
If only I cared as much about convincing you as you do about being convinced.
Weak. You can't even t
Take it from me, python sucks, just not as hard as ruby.
Actually all of your choices pretty much suck, I recommend writing a
language from scratch if you want to have a deep understanding of it's
internals. Maybe even use Lua as a base for that.
On 2/14/07, Bart Whiteley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
Python, obviously.
+1 Python.
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On 2/14/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Great. Your vigor is overwhelming. I require a little more
convincing that a one liner.
If only I cared as much about convincing you as you do about being convinced.
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On 2/14/07, Daniel C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Python, obviously.
Great. Your vigor is overwhelming. I require a little more
convincing that a one liner.
Why Python? Why not Ruby or Perl instead? What does Python have that
they don't?
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Contrary to popular belief, I'm not a complete and total Java bigot...
Okay, I lied, I am. Java is the shiz-nigget. However, I'm honestly
wanting to invest in a new language for fun and profit.
I have a decent background in bash/shell, Perl, and I've played with
Ruby and Python. One of the rea
On 2/13/07, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you also agree, then, that readability is more important than
shortcuts for writing code? Eclipse shortcuts help with writing code
but do not make up for Java's verbosity.
Shane
Readability is hugely important. This is why are am a hug
On 2/14/07, Erin Sharmahd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Back last August, while I was in Provo, I saw a big black truck with
"SCO" for the license plate. Anybody know if Darl has a truck?
I believe he has a Suburban that is black.
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Back last August, while I was in Provo, I saw a big black truck with
"SCO" for the license plate. Anybody know if Darl has a truck?
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 11:25:36AM -0700, Dan Stovall wrote:
> I saw one the other day while I was waiting to pick my son up from
> school at Freedom Academy. I won
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:59, Bryan Sant wrote:
> no language receives more slander than Java on this list.
No, that's Perl :)
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