Re: Jobs: Openings at Omniture

2007-02-20 Thread Frank Sorenson
Ryan Simpkins wrote: All, Omniture (http://www.omniture.com) has a number of IT positions opening up. If you see something here you might be interested in please e-mail me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure that Omniture is a great place to work, and all, and that there are lots of great positions

Re: Computer Science Education, was Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc

2007-02-20 Thread Alex Esplin
On 2/20/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If only I had time to work through them all I hear ya there. -- Alex Esplin /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: Computer Science Education, was Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Alex Esplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > This is one of the things I'm liking about my studies at BYU. > Occasionally it becomes quite a time burden to teach myself the tools > to implement the principles taught in the classes. But, this is a > time burden I usually place on myself as I try t

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2007 February 20 Tuesday 04:47:08 PM -0700, Ryan Byrd wrote: > Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access (tape/DVDs > aren't fast enough) and redundancy like RAID. Ever heard of Storage Tank? 1 PiB is their size of departure. http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressRelea

Jobs: Openings at Omniture

2007-02-20 Thread Ryan Simpkins
All, Omniture (http://www.omniture.com) has a number of IT positions opening up. If you see something here you might be interested in please e-mail me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can send you more information, answer any questions, and help be your 'inside guy' at the company. I am a Linux System Adm

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Roberto Mello
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 04:47:08PM -0700, Ryan Byrd wrote: > Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access (tape/DVDs > aren't fast enough) and redundancy like RAID. > > How should I do it? Initially the data will be in large (several MB) binary > objects and could be stored as

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Richard Scott McNew
Dave Smith wrote: Failing that, you could also buy 2,000 500GB IDE drives in USB enclosures. ;) How many USB drives can you attach to a single system anyway? Third option: Wait 10 years, and buy a single disk with 1PB. You may spend that long getting the system operational anyway. :) By the way

Re: Computer Science Education, was Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc

2007-02-20 Thread Alex Esplin
On 2/20/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that my primary idea through this thread is that although it is entirely possible to separate theory and practice in computer science, it's a bad idea to try to teach it that way, especially at the undergraduate level. I don't think tha

Computer Science Education, was Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Alex Esplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I actually meant more so "we" than "you". > > Not that I terribly mind the lengthy discussions we've had over the > last little while. It's given me lots to think about and I've learned > a few things to boot, which is why I'm here to begin with. > We

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Mister E
Not that I terribly mind the lengthy discussions we've had over the last little while. It's given me lots to think about and I've learned a few things to boot, which is why I'm here to begin with. Man pauses, contemplates thinking statue as he comes upon it. Then, turns on mp3 player and con

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Alex Esplin
On 2/20/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I assume that you mean that I've argued myself into a circle. It does look a little bit like that, but any circularity is due to a failure to communicate exactly what I mean. I'd be happy to explain further and clarify any questions anyone has

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Alex Esplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > And we've rounded the last corner into an infinite loop... I assume that you mean that I've argued myself into a circle. It does look a little bit like that, but any circularity is due to a failure to communicate exactly what I mean. I'd be happy to

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Steve
The large hadron collider generates, processes and stores a petabyte of data on a pretty regular basis. You should maybe look into what their using. On 2/20/07, Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ryan Byrd wrote: > Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access > (tape/DVDs

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Smith
Ryan Byrd wrote: Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access (tape/DVDs aren't fast enough) and redundancy like RAID. How should I do it? Ask the Mozy dudes. They might already have that much data, and if not, they'll probably be there pretty soon. Failing that, you co

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread C. Ed Felt
Levi Pearson wrote: Dave Smith [1]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: When you say that MIT's CS program is grounded in practical applications, are you referring specifically to the fact that a student can complete the MIT CS program without coding anything except Lisp? Because that's what came to m

Re: Grabbing stuff off a nearly dead hard drive.

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel C.
On 2/20/07, Adam Findley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So as far as I can tell my laptop has a dead sector (it appears to be a hardware error). I can't mount the partition in Knoppix. This is the error I get: Look into ddrescue. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: h

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Scott Paul Robertson
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:13:46AM -0700, Levi Pearson wrote: > > In standard def land component is the best. As for signals on a single > > wire, composite is the only one guilty of this. S-Video is better than > > composite because it is multiple wires in one cable, and component > > better still

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Alex Esplin
On 2/20/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Furthermore, the high-level design of programs is largely independant of the specific tools used. It doesn't matter whether those skills and the corresponding understanding of theory were gained in the context of programming in Lisp or C#. Tho

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:03:52 -0800, "Jonathan Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:47:08 -0700, "Ryan Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access > > (tape/DVDs > > aren't fast enough) and redundancy like RAID. > > > >

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:47:08 -0700, "Ryan Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access > (tape/DVDs > aren't fast enough) and redundancy like RAID. > > How should I do it? Initially the data will be in large (several MB) > binary > objects and

Re: How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Alex Esplin
On 2/20/07, Ryan Byrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scenario 3: HP ProLiant DL320s Server 12 250GB SATA 7.2k drives 2.7GB with RAID 5 3U $5.8K 14 per rack $81.2K per rack 37.8TB per rack 27 racks needed for 1PB $2.2 million I didn't check to see if "2.7GB with RAID 5" was just a t

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Jesse Stay
I know I'm going to get bashed for this, but one of the best Media servers I've ever used is Vista Media Center (through Vista Ultimate). They're about to release a Home Server that will do the same and serve as centralized storage. If you have an Xbox 360 or soon they will be releasing Media Cen

How to store a petabyte?

2007-02-20 Thread Ryan Byrd
Let's say I need to store a petabyte of data. I need fast access (tape/DVDs aren't fast enough) and redundancy like RAID. How should I do it? Initially the data will be in large (several MB) binary objects and could be stored as files, but eventually, it will need to be placed into a relational d

Re: Grabbing stuff off a nearly dead hard drive.

2007-02-20 Thread Shane Hathaway
Adam Findley wrote: So obviously I have a problem with sector 52436302. I'd like to be able to restore some of my stuff (it's not too critical) before I send the drive off for RMA. Anyone know how to dd my drive avoiding just that sector? ddrescue. Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on

Re: sparc livecd

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Stephen Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does anyone on the list have any experience building bootable linux livecds > for SPARC? I've built a customized live cd previously using a Gentoo Howto > [1], but it doesn't translate perfectly into SPARCese. Specifically, there > comes a point in th

Re: Grabbing stuff off a nearly dead hard drive.

2007-02-20 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 16:20, Adam Findley wrote: > Anyone know how to dd my drive avoiding just that sector? dd_rescue is probably your best bet. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

sparc livecd

2007-02-20 Thread Stephen Ward
Does anyone on the list have any experience building bootable linux livecds for SPARC? I've built a customized live cd previously using a Gentoo Howto [1], but it doesn't translate perfectly into SPARCese. Specifically, there comes a point in the Howto where I have to run the mkisofs command, bu

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
Doran Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Those handy implements are called Fish Sticks and they come in > glow-in-the-dark versions as well. So THAT's what those glow-in-the-dark thingies I saw in the Lowes aisle this weekend are for. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Levi Pearson wrote: >> What, in particular, do you find impractical about Lisp? > > I think Lisp is neat, just like my R/C planes. Practical, though? Not > really. By the way, please don't take this analogy too far. I have no intention of doing anything wha

Grabbing stuff off a nearly dead hard drive.

2007-02-20 Thread Adam Findley
So as far as I can tell my laptop has a dead sector (it appears to be a hardware error). I can't mount the partition in Knoppix. This is the error I get: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x4 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=52436302, high=3, low=21

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Andrew Jorgensen
On 2/20/07, Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: By the way, the conduit is stiff, but flexible. That way there are no 90 degree turns, and you can sometimes even push wire through it all the way from the rooms to the basement. This is one reason you want the central box in the basement, so grav

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Doran Barton
Daniel C. wrote: When I installed home theatre systems (and other stuff), we had what we called fishing poles to help out with this. They were just long, thin pieces of fiberglass that could be screwed together at the ends, plus different attachments (a magnet, a little loop of wire, etc.) that

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Smith
Michael Brailsford wrote: I mean if even DeVry can produce really good engineers, maybe good engineering has more to do with the individual than with the school. Finally. Schools don't produce good engineers. Good engineers produce good engineers. My company just hired one of the best pro

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Smith
Levi Pearson wrote: What, in particular, do you find impractical about Lisp? I think Lisp is neat, just like my R/C planes. Practical, though? Not really. By the way, please don't take this analogy too far. Another example: My office mate is writing a small operating system in his own varia

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Brailsford
Dangit, I thought this thread died already. I can sum up all the arguments like this: 1) UVSC is not a school for morons that we all thought it was. 2) BYU CS department is worthless. 3) UofU graduates drop off the face of the planet after graduation. 4) ??? 5) Profit! Anyway, you went to

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Matthew Walker
On Tue, February 20, 2007 1:54 pm, Mister E wrote: > Hill, Greg wrote: >> It's not an endorsement, unless it's an endorsement of the fact that >> people no longer understand the difference between a trade school and a >> University. I never faulted the people for getting what they want, >> anyway

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > When you say that MIT's CS program is grounded in practical > applications, are you referring specifically to the fact that a > student can complete the MIT CS program without coding anything except > Lisp? Because that's what came to my mind. Grounded in

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Brandon Beattie
I'm building now (at the framing state) and am putting in what you're looking to do and a bit more. I'm about finished with all my choices and cost has been a large concern. There are a lot of things you can do yourself if you plan ahead. In my home I actually had designed so I can run 3" PVC fr

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Mister E
Hill, Greg wrote: It's not an endorsement, unless it's an endorsement of the fact that people no longer understand the difference between a trade school and a University. I never faulted the people for getting what they want, anyway. I just said it was a waste of money (i.e. I consider it a was

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Smith
Levi Pearson wrote: Technically, the distinction that a University has is that it grants post-graduate degrees. 'Theory' doesn't come into the picture, especially at the undergraduate level. Thus we have schools like MIT, which has an excellent CS program, but strives to be grounded in practica

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Hill, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's not an endorsement, unless it's an endorsement of the fact that > people no longer understand the difference between a trade school and a > University. I never faulted the people for getting what they want, > anyway. I just said it was a waste of mo

RE: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Hill, Greg
> So, the people you talked to got exactly what they wanted out of the > program there? Sounds like an endorsement to me. The CNS programs > are now fairly flexible, and you can avoid scary-looking theory > courses if you want, or you can take lots of them, as I'm doing. > Perhaps things were not

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel C.
On 2/20/07, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's what I've always wanted to try: fill the walls with empty PVC pipes, so you can later run different cables without breaking walls. Today you might want gigabit ethernet, but tomorrow you might want fiber instead. To run a new cable,

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Dan Stovall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have read in several places recently that there is no difference > between expensive HDMI cabels and the cheaper kinds. Most things I > have read state that since the signal is digital and won't degrade, > either the cable works or it is broken. It

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread C. Ed Felt
Levi Pearson wrote: "Hill, Greg" [1]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Maybe things have changed; I was basing this on what everyone I've known who went to UVSC told me. Also, my wife is taking Multimedia there right now, and pretty much all she has learned is how to use the tools to create multim

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm not much of a home-wiring expert myself. However, when my parents > built their most recent home a few years back, they had the builder > install stiff, plastic conduit throughout the house. It all runs back > to a box in the basement. This makes runnin

Re: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
"Hill, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Maybe things have changed; I was basing this on what everyone I've known > who went to UVSC told me. Also, my wife is taking Multimedia there > right now, and pretty much all she has learned is how to use the tools > to create multimedia. Nothing yet abo

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Levi Pearson
Scott Paul Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A couple things to note about video cables and it's technology. > > Component is nice (better than S-Video and Composite (RCA)), but nothing > compared to DVI/HDMI. Component provides up to 480p resolution, while > DVI/HDMI can provide the signal n

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 09:35, Shane Hathaway wrote: > If that didn't work, I'd just run gigabit ethernet to every room, plus a > few standard cables for telephones and the TV antenna. Ethernet and > Linux could be enough for everything you'd like to do, but if you decide > to sell your house,

RE: UVSC BYU U of U etc was"Software Engineering

2007-02-20 Thread Hill, Greg
> "Hill, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > This is all coming from someone who only went to University for only a > > year before going into a career, so maybe that skews my perception. Not > > having the advanced theory hasn't really hindered my ability to make > > good money as a programmer,

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Smith
By the way, the conduit is stiff, but flexible. That way there are no 90 degree turns, and you can sometimes even push wire through it all the way from the rooms to the basement. This is one reason you want the central box in the basement, so gravity can help you push cables through. I have us

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Dan Stovall
On 2/20/07, Scott Paul Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DVI/HDMI was designed for computer monitors. It is digital. The cables are designed to handle interference. You can get long distance cables that won't degrade the signal (though they might be expensive). Heck, I have a 20-ft VGA extens

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Smith
I'm not much of a home-wiring expert myself. However, when my parents built their most recent home a few years back, they had the builder install stiff, plastic conduit throughout the house. It all runs back to a box in the basement. This makes running any kind of cable easy. I wired them for E

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Shane Hathaway
C. Ed Felt wrote: Some of you may cringe when I say "Home Automation" since it can mean so many things. I am building a home in a few months and would like to get some pointers from any of you with experience. I will get to run my own low voltage wiring, (before the dry-wallers :-

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Scott Paul Robertson
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 07:26:02AM -0800, Michael Brailsford wrote: > I am no A/V guru, but component cables separate the signals better and > provide the best possible quality and resolution. DVI, S-Video and RCA and > other connection technologies run multiple signals in the same wire and the

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Brailsford
I am no A/V guru, but component cables separate the signals better and provide the best possible quality and resolution. DVI, S-Video and RCA and other connection technologies run multiple signals in the same wire and the interference degrades the signals. This is especially true over longer c

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Daniel C.
On 2/20/07, C. Ed Felt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Home theater (Computer based of course - mp3, DVD caching to HDD etc.). My only input here is not to try to make a room be both a home theatre room and a something else room. If you're going to be serious about having a home theat

Re: Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread Barry Roberts
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 06:26 -0700, C. Ed Felt wrote: Just a few comments on the things I have experience with. > * Is "wired" cheaper than wireless? Don't know about cost, but wired doesn't suck. My house was built in 1986, so my home LAN is stuck with wireless. Trust me. Wire it. >

Home Automation

2007-02-20 Thread C. Ed Felt
Some of you may cringe when I say "Home Automation" since it can mean so many things. I am building a home in a few months and would like to get some pointers from any of you with experience. I will get to run my own low voltage wiring, (before the dry-wallers :-) ). Things I am