Jonathan Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Although even with all the strong feelings and many different sides of
> this discussion, I think that as we continue to see other
> perspectives, as shared by each other, that we can broaden our own
> perspectives. In the end, I think that no matter w
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 23:41 -0600, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
> Although even with all the strong feelings and many different sides of
> this discussion, I think that as we continue to see other
> perspectives, as shared by each other, that we can broaden our own
> perspectives.
There's a diffe
On AD 2008 April 18 Friday 11:41:44 PM -0600, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
>
> On 18 Apr 2008, at 23:07, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> Wow, I think we are down to taking word jabs at each other. =) Although
> even with all the strong feelings and many different sides of this
> discussion, I think that as we
On second though, you deserve a more complete reply.
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 21:58 -0600, Mister E wrote:
> Neither free basic education nor basic health care are basic human
> rights. A huge misconception as of the last few decades and usually more
> common among younger folks. But the pursuit t
On 18 Apr 2008, at 23:07, Stuart Jansen wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 21:58 -0600, Mister E wrote:
ps - taking offense is just a way to attempt control over others,
and is
sometimes used in conjunction with political correctness tactics. So
basically it only works on weak-minded individuals a
Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Stuart Jansen wrote:
>>
>> I should point out that I've always been an Independent with
>> Conservative tendencies. And ever since reading Ayn Rand I've been
>> drifting toward Libertarian. (I mention this because your arguments
>> sound like echoes of hers.)
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 21:58 -0600, Mister E wrote:
> ps - taking offense is just a way to attempt control over others, and is
> sometimes used in conjunction with political correctness tactics. So
> basically it only works on weak-minded individuals and/or those that are
> misinformed.
sanctim
Stuart Jansen wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 12:56 -0600, Bryan Sant wrote:
Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
maximizes the earning potential for me and my family. I agree that
people who work hard, study, apply themselves and are ultimately
rewarded by our evil, greed
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 12:56 -0600, Bryan Sant wrote:
> Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
> maximizes the earning potential for me and my family. I agree that
> people who work hard, study, apply themselves and are ultimately
> rewarded by our evil, greed-driven, capita
Alex Esplin wrote:
I've been mostly just skimming this thread in mild amusement, but this
really pisses me off. I spent a good number of my younger years
living in a trailer that you could actually see daylight through some
of the wall joints. I went to a high school that was _in no way_ a
prep
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Universal health care isn't going to solve poverty, but it will help
> prevent people falling deeper into the pit. I'm not saying that everyone
> should get free cosmetic surgery, but I am saying that everyone should
>
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
> maximizes the earning potential for me and my family. I agree that
> people who work hard, study, apply themselves and are ultimately
> rewarded by our evil
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...I am saying that the time has come to make affordable health care
> available to 100% of legal
> citizens.
I assure you we'll be giving affordable health care (read: free) to 100% of
the illegal ones too. And that on
Mister E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ...then you are more of a conservative or mainstreamer than you think,
> if based only on that statement. Liberalism whitewashes itself as
> being more compassionate and knowledgeable than anything/anyone else,
> but it's not. It's more about incremental advan
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 12:56 -0600, Bryan Sant wrote:
> Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
> maximizes the earning potential for me and my family.
If you think being poor is a choice, you don't know poverty. If you
think laziness and and poor educational choices explain
Kyle Waters wrote:
ps yes, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but mostly I give away my time and
money not yours.
...then you are more of a conservative or mainstreamer than you think,
if based only on that statement. Liberalism whitewashes itself as being
more compassionate and knowledgeable t
There's another wrinkle to all this, however (actually there are
probably many more wrinkles). There are many procedures that can only
be performed in hospitals, which also have policies of their own. So
even if your doctor wants to offer his/her services at private rates,
it may not be possible
On 18 Apr 2008, at 15:00, Nicholas Leippe wrote:
Many good points...
IMO, one of the reasons our health care system is broken is that it
is not an
open/free market. Let me explain:
You go to your doctor for a visit. He performs an exam, orders a few
tests,
and prescribes some medication
Many good points...
IMO, one of the reasons our health care system is broken is that it is not an
open/free market. Let me explain:
You go to your doctor for a visit. He performs an exam, orders a few tests,
and prescribes some medication, whatever.
Then, his office sends a bill to your healt
On 18 Apr 2008, at 12:56, Bryan Sant wrote:
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Stuart Jansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You're high paying Java position has blinded you to the situation.
Sure,
Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
maximizes the earning potential for me
Bryan Sant wrote:
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You're high paying Java position has blinded you to the situation. Sure,
Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
maximizes the earning potential for me and my family. I a
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're high paying Java position has blinded you to the situation. Sure,
Let me fist sincerly apologize for pursuing a discipline that
maximizes the earning potential for me and my family. I agree that
people who work ha
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Doran L. Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It is a bit ironic that opponents claim UTOPIA is anti-competitive when it
> > will allow any service provider to operate on its network, even Qwest or
> > Comcast.
>
>
"Doran L. Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It is a bit ironic that opponents claim UTOPIA is anti-competitive when it
> will allow any service provider to operate on its network, even Qwest or
> Comcast.
Well, Qwest and Comcast aren't *just* service providers, they're also
infrastructure prov
Not long ago, Stuart Jansen proclaimed...
> Privatization is not always better.
It's a tough pill to swallow, but I have to agree with Stuart. I mean, I'm
a little disturbed by his liberal blah-blah, but those who argue that
UTOPIA is akin to socialized Internet service are missing the big picture
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