Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Brandon Stout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Walker wrote: > On Thu, December 11, 2008 4:08 pm, Brandon Stout wrote: >>> I recently ran powertop on a laptop and noticed that the webcam and >>> bluetooth devices (both of which are connected via an internal USB hub), >>> are always on. The

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Matthew Walker
On Thu, December 11, 2008 4:08 pm, Brandon Stout wrote: >> I recently ran powertop on a laptop and noticed that the webcam and >> bluetooth devices (both of which are connected via an internal USB hub), >> are always on. They are both sucking power, and the webcam is also >> hitting the CPU with a

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Brandon Stout
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew McNabb wrote: > I recently ran powertop on a laptop and noticed that the webcam and > bluetooth devices (both of which are connected via an internal USB hub), > are always on. They are both sucking power, and the webcam is also > hitting the C

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Gary Thornock
--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Doran L. Barton wrote: > And what topics could you use to professionally grow? Offhand, how about: - Geographic distribution for applications -- particularly - Partitioning users between data centers, - Data replication between data centers, and - Failover, in case so

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Hans Fugal
Nicholas Leippe wrote: > The feeling I get from the plug, is that most of us here are compentent, very > resourceful people, and getting help from someone else is usually a last > resort--we've already researched for ourselves and hit dead ends. Or, we know > the research is going to be long an

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Nicholas Leippe
Some more ideas: - lighttpd - djbdns - qmail - assp - kvm - livecd/bootable usb creation - nagios alternatives, what are they, can we see demos, example configs, scalability/usability comparisons... (my relationship with nagios is a love/hate, with mostly hate) small tricks/advanced topics: -

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Jason Hall
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Josh Coates wrote: > yeah, i thought google had a solution - but i dont *think* they do. i > signed up and got instantly confused, redirected and sent between google > sites, google page creator and google apps and back and forth and kept > getting 404 errors on

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Jason Hall
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Hans Fugal wrote: > For me, it would take a plane ticket, but pretending I lived nearby... ... generous snip > Oh, and I know a failsafe way to keep people far away from meetings: > talk about how to get more people to come to the meetings every time. > > There'

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Josh Coates
> > > > I'm confused now. All I want to know is whether I can have a Google > Site that is transparently under my own domain name. > > > yeah, i thought google had a solution - but i dont *think* they do. i signed up and got instantly confused, redirected and sent between google sites, google pag

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:36:48PM -0500, Daniel C. wrote: > I'm confused now. All I want to know is whether I can have a Google > Site that is transparently under my own domain name. Yes, you can. You can have your own email hosted by Gmail, your own "jabber" chat through GTalk, and just about e

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread William Attwood
I do not believe so. -Will On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Daniel C. wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Spencer Gibb wrote: > > You can sign up for google apps just for sites though, you don't have to > use > > it for email, etc... > > I'm confused now. All I want to know is whether I

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Spencer Gibb
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Daniel C. wrote: > I'm confused now. All I want to know is whether I can have a Google > Site that is transparently under my own domain name. You can you just have to sign up through google apps http://www.google.com/apps It's a service google offers stand al

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Matthew Walker
On Thu, December 11, 2008 11:36 am, Daniel C. wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Spencer Gibb wrote: >> You can sign up for google apps just for sites though, you don't have to use >> it for email, etc... > > I'm confused now. All I want to know is whether I can have a Google > Site that

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Hans Fugal
For me, it would take a plane ticket, but pretending I lived nearby... Doran L. Barton wrote: > There was some discussion after last night's awesome SELinux presentation by > Stuart Jansen (don't worry- we'll be making the audio and video available) > about what gets people out to a PLUG meetin

Willing to present

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:19:54AM -0700, Kyle Waters wrote: > Aaron, you should email the sllug people about a bind meeting :) At a request of another, I'm willing to present to SLLUG on DNS or packet filtering (or both), as I offered the same to PLUG. If interested, let me know. --

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Spencer Gibb wrote: > You can sign up for google apps just for sites though, you don't have to use > it for email, etc... I'm confused now. All I want to know is whether I can have a Google Site that is transparently under my own domain name. /* PLUG: http://plu

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Spencer Gibb
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Matthew Walker wrote: > Outside Google Apps, you have to use their domain. > You can sign up for google apps just for sites though, you don't have to use it for email, etc... -- Spencer /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plu

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Matthew Walker
On Thu, December 11, 2008 11:27 am, Spencer Gibb wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Daniel C. wrote: > >> That's pretty cool. Do they let you use your own URL, or does it have >> to be sites.google.com/whatever? > > > I use it with google apps and can use whatever URL I want. I haven't

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Jason Hall
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote: > There was some discussion after last night's awesome SELinux presentation by > Stuart Jansen (don't worry- we'll be making the audio and video available) > about what gets people out to a PLUG meeting, or, more generally speaking, > what g

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Spencer Gibb
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Daniel C. wrote: > That's pretty cool. Do they let you use your own URL, or does it have > to be sites.google.com/whatever? I use it with google apps and can use whatever URL I want. I haven't used it outside of google apps. -- Spencer /* PLUG: http://plug.

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Spencer Gibb wrote: > What he describes is exactly what Google Sites is. > > http://www.google.com/sites/overview.html That's pretty cool. Do they let you use your own URL, or does it have to be sites.google.com/whatever? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Nicholas Leippe
On Thursday 11 December 2008 11:04:01 am William Attwood wrote: > Thanks, Aaron. We should get you signed up for one of the upcoming events. > Another idea is to hand out a Cheat Sheet with items that are being > discussed, and examples. Maybe, for Bind, there can be a printout of the > different

Re: [OT] What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Kyle Waters
William Attwood wrote: I found that even though Omniture offered the XBox 360 and Rock Band, barely anyone would go in and use it. Seems like gaming is more for those who know one another; when we go to meetings, some of us don't know others. It might work to do a little bit of a social time be

Re: [OT] What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread William Attwood
I found that even though Omniture offered the XBox 360 and Rock Band, barely anyone would go in and use it. Seems like gaming is more for those who know one another; when we go to meetings, some of us don't know others. It might work to do a little bit of a social time before the meeting goes on;

Re: [OT] What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Bart Whiteley
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote: > I imagine there's a certain portion of the pseudo-membership that would be > attracted to gaming-related events. Would a meeting about Linux as a gaming > client/server/platform be attractive? No. > Would more people come to other meetin

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread William Attwood
Thanks, Aaron. We should get you signed up for one of the upcoming events. Another idea is to hand out a Cheat Sheet with items that are being discussed, and examples. Maybe, for Bind, there can be a printout of the different configuration options and their meanings/options, that way after the me

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:42:44AM -0700, William Attwood wrote: > IPTables > -- How to use it, and why > -- Is it secure? > > Bind > -- Setting up and administering a DNS system for your network > -- Configuring your DNS server as a primary resource, and the WWW as a > secondary for your internal

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:37:38AM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote: > How about this then: > > After using Google Docs just once, I broke out in a rash and had to take > antibiotics for three weeks. Now I can't prove that Google was > responsible. I'm just saying... Now, that's just lame. Sorry- could

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread William Attwood
Nagios-- Basic Setup -- Basic Administration -- Hosts, Commands, Plug Ins -- Using NRPE for Remote Monitoring -- Logging all updates to a Database -- Graphing based on above logging to troubleshoot errors after they happen (random load spikes, Disk I/O, swap usage due to a horrid cron job at 2am)

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Spencer Gibb
What he describes is exactly what Google Sites is. http://www.google.com/sites/overview.html -- Spencer /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:28 -0700, Aaron Toponce wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:23:40PM -0500, Daniel C. wrote: > > Because that would be lame. He wants a web site, not just a mishmash > > of "word" documents. > > Yet he described exactly what Google Docs provides, and "lame" isn't > exactly

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Aaron Toponce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yet he described exactly what Google Docs provides, and "lame" isn't > exactly a good argument for not using the service. He said he wants a web site. A collection of Google Docs is a lame excuse for a web site. Technic

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Doran L. Barton
On Thursday 11 December 2008 10:10:55 William Attwood wrote: > Really, the subject matter and location are the two most important items > for me to attend. If it's something that I can use to professionally grow, > and, it's a decent location, I'll attend. And what topics could you use to profess

Re: [OT] What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Doran L. Barton
On Thursday 11 December 2008 10:05:31 Stuart Jansen wrote: > What type of food is most likely to induce you to attend meetings? Are > you one of those boring people who wants pizza? Or are you wise enough > to recognize the superiority of cookies and warm milk? I imagine there's a certain portion

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:23:40PM -0500, Daniel C. wrote: > Because that would be lame. He wants a web site, not just a mishmash > of "word" documents. Yet he described exactly what Google Docs provides, and "lame" isn't exactly a good argument for not using the service. --

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Aaron Toponce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but why not just use Google Docs in this > case? Because that would be lame. He wants a web site, not just a mishmash of "word" documents. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:36:47AM -0700, Aaron Toponce wrote: > > The core USB modules in Fedora are: > > uhci-hcd.ko - USB 1.1 for Intel/VIA > ohci-hcd.ko - USB 1.1 for everyone else > ehci-hcd.ko - USB 2.0 for all Oddly, I don't have any of these modules loaded, even when USB is active (altho

Re: What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread William Attwood
Really, the subject matter and location are the two most important items for me to attend. If it's something that I can use to professionally grow, and, it's a decent location, I'll attend. -Will On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Doran L. Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > There was some discussi

Re: [OT] What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:53 -0700, Doran L. Barton wrote: > Anything else we discussed last night that I'm failing to include in > this petition? What type of food is most likely to induce you to attend meetings? Are you one of those boring people who wants pizza? Or are you wise enough to recogn

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:05:29AM -0700, Matthew Walker wrote: > > Wouldn't that stop all USB devices from functioning though? I doubt that's > what he wants. > > Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for any other solution, so this may be the only > choice. It looks like you can do something like thi

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:04:57AM -0700, Josh Coates wrote: Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but why not just use Google Docs in this case? You can share you docs with family or friends, or make them public. Everything is already setup for you, and adding stuff is easier than changing your underwear (w

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Wade Preston Shearer
You said you Dont want blog software but sounds luke wordpress pages would do exactly what you want. You can use wordpress as a light cms for small sites. It works great. On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:04, "Josh Coates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i'm looking for something, and it's a difficult thin

What gets you out to a PLUG meeting?

2008-12-11 Thread Doran L. Barton
There was some discussion after last night's awesome SELinux presentation by Stuart Jansen (don't worry- we'll be making the audio and video available) about what gets people out to a PLUG meeting, or, more generally speaking, what gets people more involved in the user group. One of the questi

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 08:04 -0700, Josh Coates wrote: > i want to build a simple website that is made up of articles in a single > level hierarchy. these articles should be easy to create and edit (where > 'easy' means something like a wiki markup language). http://www.fogcreek.com/CityDesk/ If

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Barry Roberts
On 12/11/2008 09:08 AM, Josh Coates wrote: drupal looks like a little complicated (ie. apache, mysql, blah blah, where tiddlywiki's single file is the comparison) and "bloggy" and multi-user oriented, but i'll give install it and see how painful it is to slim down to do what i want. I forgot

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:22:06AM -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote: > In Fedora, it looks like they must compile USB in to the kernel, since > I'm not seeing any USB-related modules in lsmod. > > I was worried that the keyboard and trackpad might be attached to USB, > but it looks like they aren't. So

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:05:29AM -0700, Matthew Walker wrote: > > On Thu, December 11, 2008 8:57 am, Aaron Toponce wrote: > > What distro? In Debian/Ubuntu, you can just unload the 'usbcore' module > > or blacklist it. Placing it in your /etc/modprobe.conf or > > /etc/modprobe.d/ should suffice.

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel C.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Josh Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > any other suggestions plug peoples? You can wait for me to finish Raskalnokov, which is a project designed to do exactly what you're looking for. The only drawback is that I'm on a Paul Grahamsian timeline with it. /* PLU

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Josh Coates
> Drupal does exactly that. Makes a simple site with a navigation tree > possible for almost anybody. You still have to do some HTML inside the > content you create, but drupal can take care of the rest of the layout. > > drupal looks like a little complicated (ie. apache, mysql, blah blah, where

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Matthew Walker
On Thu, December 11, 2008 8:57 am, Aaron Toponce wrote: > What distro? In Debian/Ubuntu, you can just unload the 'usbcore' module > or blacklist it. Placing it in your /etc/modprobe.conf or > /etc/modprobe.d/ should suffice. Wouldn't that stop all USB devices from functioning though? I doubt that

Re: disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:34:27AM -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote: > I recently ran powertop on a laptop and noticed that the webcam and > bluetooth devices (both of which are connected via an internal USB hub), > are always on. They are both sucking power, and the webcam is also > hitting the CPU wit

disabling usb devices in a laptop

2008-12-11 Thread Andrew McNabb
I recently ran powertop on a laptop and noticed that the webcam and bluetooth devices (both of which are connected via an internal USB hub), are always on. They are both sucking power, and the webcam is also hitting the CPU with a constant stream of interrupts. Since I'm not using them, I would l

Re: [OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Barry Roberts
On 12/11/2008 08:04 AM, Josh Coates wrote: then there are like 5 millions CMS software packages - but geesh, what a mess that is. any ideas? or do i have to built it myself (which i really, really, really don't want to have to do - i'm a lousy web dev and it doesn't sound fun at all.) Drupa

[OT] lazy website software

2008-12-11 Thread Josh Coates
i'm looking for something, and it's a difficult thing to search for, so i thought i'd ask plug. i want to build a simple website that is made up of articles in a single level hierarchy. these articles should be easy to create and edit (where 'easy' means something like a wiki markup language). e