On 04/17/2013 05:07 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Steve Alligood
> wrote:
>> Many localities now outsource to private companies for trash
>> pickup, so your category has gotten me thinking about the potential
>> for outsourcing other things (like schools) as well, whic
On Apr 17, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Steve Meyers wrote:
> When a monopoly is ordered to "share" their network, they do not make it
> easy for the other ISPs. They do everything they legally can (and
> sometimes a little more) to make life enough of a pain that nobody wants
> to share their network
On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 14:33 -0400, Derek Carter (aka goozbach) wrote:
> Submitted without further comment:
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> http://stopdisablingselinux.com/
+1
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On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 16:09 -0600, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Duncan
> wrote:
> > Try IRC. :)
>
>
> There has been a mistake... I work between 9 - 5.
You're not fooling any of us, Gabe.
Wait, do you mean 9am to 5am? Okay, I'll believe that.
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On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 14:54 -0600, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> I hope they buy utopia. I'm not happy that Orem raised my taxes to pay for
> their utter mismanagement of this horrible business model.
> I'm of the opinion that cities need to be cities and not dabble in owning
> businesses.
Preach it br
UTOPIA is a great idea, but was initially mismanaged and then got hammered by
the problems with the muni-bond market five years ago. UTOPIA is in a much
better place today than previously.
A similar deployment in Wyoming has gone very well. They took the lessons from
UTOPIA and avoided the pro
On 04/17/2013 02:54 PM, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> I hope they buy utopia. I'm not happy that Orem raised my taxes to pay for
> their utter mismanagement of this horrible business model.
> I'm of the opinion that cities need to be cities and not dabble in owning
> businesses.
I have Spanish Fork Comm
On 4/17/13 4:55 PM, Steve Alligood wrote:
> Actually, the Time Warner / AOL merger years ago had the stipulation
> that they had to allow other ISPs to use their network like UTOPIA
> does.
When a monopoly is ordered to "share" their network, they do not make it
easy for the other ISPs. They do
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Steve Alligood wrote:
> Many localities now outsource to private companies for trash pickup, so your
> category has gotten me thinking about the potential for outsourcing other
> things (like schools) as well, which is kind of what the charter schools are
> doin
On Apr 17, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> 3. Some are minimums provided for everyone equally: School, Trash pickup
> and possibly others.
Many localities now outsource to private companies for trash pickup, so your
category has gotten me thinking about the potential for outsourcing oth
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Lloyd Brown wrote:
> And at least some of the mayors of Utoipa cities apparently want it:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4ONiV_iRZZI
>
> Lloyd Brown
>
That was my first thought. It would be great if more people could get on
Google Fib
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> I agree with most of what you say, but a point is missed. When a company has
> to make changes they must consider all options, and going out of business or
> massively cutting back to possibly a single service or product is a
> possibility.
On 17 Apr 2013, at 16:09, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> There has been a mistake... I work between 9 - 5.
>
> Really, I'm a poor multi-tasker. I know I miss out on tons of good
> conversation :/
>
You are a wise soul. :)
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> There has been a mistake... I work between 9 - 5.
>
> Really, I'm a poor multi-tasker. I know I miss out on tons of good
> conversation :/
>
Best reply ever.
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On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 03:29:33 PM Lonnie Olson wrote:
> Wow, talk about misinformed. Mis-management possibly. Horrible
> business model, an exaggeration. Cities do not own Utopia, they lend
> money to Utopia on a bond, that Utopia has to pay back over a long
> time. Some cities have
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Duncan
wrote:
> Try IRC. :)
There has been a mistake... I work between 9 - 5.
Really, I'm a poor multi-tasker. I know I miss out on tons of good
conversation :/
Gabe
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Oh, after reading the agreement, google has agreed to pay back a portion of
the bond--so, I'm good.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Lloyd Brown wrote:
> And at least some of the mayors of Utoipa cities apparently want it:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4ONiV_iRZZI
And at least some of the mayors of Utoipa cities apparently want it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4ONiV_iRZZI
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Fulton Supercomputing Lab
Brigham Young University
http://marylou.byu.edu
On 04/17/2013 03:38 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> On We
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:48:49 -0600
Steve Meyers wrote:
> On 4/17/13 2:35 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> > Thought they sold it in some insider deal a few years ago. Broad
> > something or other networks.
>
> They keep on selling it, and then the provider defaults on the
> payments and they get i
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:57 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> I would be very, very concerned about Google buying Utopia. Leasing
> capacity as a provider, ok. But introducing yet another monopoly when we
> were promised competition would be emotionally disconcerting to me.
I agree, but the pessimis
Top-posting, because all I want to say is +1.
On 4/17/13 3:29 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> Wow, talk about misinformed. Mis-management possibly. Horrible
> business model, an exaggeration. Cities do not own Utopia, they lend
> money to Utopia on a bond, that Utopia has to pay back over a long
> ti
I do wish that, for the terms of the sale, they don't actually sell it for
$1. The difference on the bond's remaining value and what Google is
offering for free at fair market value comes out to about $6 million
that Provo residents would just lose in this deal. So, I say, for safety
sake, we sho
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Merrill Oveson wrote:
> I hope they buy utopia. I'm not happy that Orem raised my taxes to pay for
> their utter mismanagement of this horrible business model.
> I'm of the opinion that cities need to be cities and not dabble in owning
> businesses.
> Bad things c
I can see that. But maybe the Google/iProvo deal will push the
competition in the nearby Utopia system to lower prices, raise speeds,
etc. I don't know what bandwidth the current Utopia hardware can
handle, eg. if it could get to gigabit speeds or not, so it may not even
make sense for Google to
I would be very, very concerned about Google buying Utopia. Leasing
capacity as a provider, ok. But introducing yet another monopoly when we
were promised competition would be emotionally disconcerting to me.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lloyd Brown wrote:
> The problem is that if they do
The problem is that if they do that, the city is still on the hook for
the network maintenance, etc. As Steve said, the city has been trying
to get rid of it for years.
Now, what would be really cool is if there was some deal between Utopia
and Google Fiber. But that's a completely different dis
I hope they buy utopia. I'm not happy that Orem raised my taxes to pay for
their utter mismanagement of this horrible business model.
I'm of the opinion that cities need to be cities and not dabble in owning
businesses.
Bad things can happen... like if a business is struggling that business has
to
Provo was considering exactly that before the back room deal. After that,
there was no reason to.
On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:50 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> Maybe they should consider letting multiple carriers offer services on it
> simultaneously ala Utopia.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM,
Maybe they should consider letting multiple carriers offer services on it
simultaneously ala Utopia.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Steve Meyers wrote:
> On 4/17/13 2:35 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> > Thought they sold it in some insider deal a few years ago. Broad
> something
> > or other ne
Nope.
Broadweave assumed the payments in a back room deal (and later absorbed
Veracity and took that name). Last year, the original bond ran out, and they
didn't or couldn't keep paying for it, so Provo took it back, and added roughly
$7/mo to every utility bill in provo, plus a couple percent
On 4/17/13 2:35 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> Thought they sold it in some insider deal a few years ago. Broad something
> or other networks.
They keep on selling it, and then the provider defaults on the payments
and they get it back. It's happened 3 times, I think.
STeve
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Thought they sold it in some insider deal a few years ago. Broad something
or other networks.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Steve Meyers wrote:
> On 4/17/13 2:10 PM, Lloyd Brown wrote:
> > Just in case anyone didn't hear about this:
> >
> > https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/
> > http://
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Dennis Muhlestein
wrote:
> What next?
Move to Provo?
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/17/4234258/google-fiber-is-coming-to-provo-utah
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On 4/17/13 2:10 PM, Lloyd Brown wrote:
> Just in case anyone didn't hear about this:
>
> https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/
> http://provomayor.blogspot.com/2013/04/google-fiber-provo-epic.html
>
> Note that it still has to be approved by the city council, etc. Almost
> makes me want to move b
On 17 Apr 2013, at 14:12, Gabriel Gunderson wrote:
> https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/
>
Try IRC. :)
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https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/
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Just in case anyone didn't hear about this:
https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/
http://provomayor.blogspot.com/2013/04/google-fiber-provo-epic.html
Note that it still has to be approved by the city council, etc. Almost
makes me want to move back to Provo, though.
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My sentiments exactly. Stop turning it off! The NSA hates it when you disable
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On Wed, April 17, 2013 08:08, Lloyd Brown wrote:
> Did they upgrade you to IPv6 as well? I have to admit that, while I
> generally have avoided Comcast, their recently improved bandwidth, and
> their IPv6 offering makes me tempted. My (very technically-minded) boss
> gets both good bandwidth (don
On 12 Apr 2013, at 00:34, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> Still working with through issues with a system I'm building and was
> wondering if anyone has had experience with fail2ban. Specifically I would
> like to rate limit failed SIP login attempts, but not necessarily ban
> them. It seems like a lo
On 16 Apr 2013, at 17:04, Ryan Simpkins wrote:
> You may want to check out CenturyLink's FTTN service. My understanding is that
> they have (finally) figured out how to do it right. Though I personally had an
> experience with them that made Comcast look deserving of a customer service
> award b
Did they upgrade you to IPv6 as well? I have to admit that, while I
generally have avoided Comcast, their recently improved bandwidth, and
their IPv6 offering makes me tempted. My (very technically-minded) boss
gets both good bandwidth (don't know exactly what), and IPv6 today at
his house in Spr
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