Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
No worries, that actually works in my favor. App wants mongodb 2.4+ for some reason and I really didn't want to have to create a custom cartridge or whatever you guys call it. :) On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Grant Shipley wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:04 AM, S. Dale Morrey >wrote:

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Shipley
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:04 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Grant, I'm a little confused. It looks like OpenShift only supports > MongoDB 2.2 deployment. I need 2.4 or better, but I can't find how to > deploy it anywhere. This is actually an embarrassing bug that I hope will be fixed very soon (

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Grant, I'm a little confused. It looks like OpenShift only supports MongoDB 2.2 deployment. I need 2.4 or better, but I can't find how to deploy it anywhere. Some of the comments in the forums indicate that an upgrade path exists, but I don't see any information on how to do this especially in a

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Shipley
comments inline. Thanks for the very well thought out and detailed comments! On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > Last summer I did a hobby project on OpenShift. I really like the platform, > but left with the following lessons: > > * OpenShift is a neutered Git repo, so de

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread Richard Esplin
Last summer I did a hobby project on OpenShift. I really like the platform, but left with the following lessons: * OpenShift is a neutered Git repo, so deployment to OpenShift is a git push. This has a number of ramifications: you have to understand git's arcane syntax for simple stuff, you hav

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Shipley
You can set limits on how much you can scale up to. If you want to cap it at 4 servers, you can do that. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > I'm just scared of what the costs would look like if I have 2000 users on > websockets recieving very small packets of updated info (

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
I'm just scared of what the costs would look like if I have 2000 users on websockets recieving very small packets of updated info (think a chat server or something similar). Guess maybe I should disable scaling and only enable it once it's needed, so long as that can actually be done. The other p

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Shipley
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > No that actually sounds perfect, thank you. > I'm going to use the free tier for initial testing. Then move to paid when > we go live. > Is there anyway to scale based on latency/page load time rather than by > number of connections? > > No

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
No that actually sounds perfect, thank you. I'm going to use the free tier for initial testing. Then move to paid when we go live. Is there anyway to scale based on latency/page load time rather than by number of connections? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Grant Shipley wrote: > On Tue, Jan

Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Shipley
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 7:27 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Ok so this is not intended as flamebait or a troll or anything. > But earlier I mentioned my site running on Drupal is basically falling down > under it's own weight. > > I have an extremely limited budget upfront. I'm open to completely >

Thoughts on OpenShift?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Ok so this is not intended as flamebait or a troll or anything. But earlier I mentioned my site running on Drupal is basically falling down under it's own weight. I have an extremely limited budget upfront. I'm open to completely dropping Drupal at this point and exploring other options. One of

Re: Anybody willing to do a presentation this month?

2014-01-14 Thread Steve Meyers
On 12/31/13 2:57 PM, Steve Meyers wrote: I don't have one scheduled, and I'm going to be busy the next few weeks, so I'd like to get it planned now if possible. I haven't had any takers, so it looks like we will not be having a meeting this month, unless somebody steps forward soon. Steve

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread keith smith
When you are on a cheap vhost you are sharing the server with upwards of 800 other vhosts. I worked for two of the largest hosting companies in the world.  That was 10 years ago and some things have changed.  One company did things right.  They separated HTTP, Data, and Mail onto separate serv

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Jason Wright
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Jason Wright > wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I love wordpress, but the open source app wasn't > built > > for scaling. > > Nope, this is not true. wordpress.com uses wordpress. It's not a > separate app

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Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread John Shaver
My experience working at bluehost was similar, however I don't blame Wordpress (necessarily). Most of those hacked Wordpress sites had not updated Wordpress in a very long time and were several versions behind. Others usually had Wordpress plugins that hadn't been updated in ages. Also, the reas

Re: Odd stress test results, now what?

2014-01-14 Thread Levi Pearson
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Mike Lovell wrote: > Apache2 has multiple methods of doing concurrency called Multi-Processing > Modules. You'll might want to look at changing apache to use the worker mpm > module instead of the default prefork mpm module. > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mpm.

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Lonnie Olson
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Jason Wright wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I love wordpress, but the open source app wasn't built > for scaling. Nope, this is not true. wordpress.com uses wordpress. It's not a separate app from the open source version. Start using a test to determine what par

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Jason Wright
I looked into wordpress speed optimization a little while ago. What I found is that all the PHP and MySQL code creates for a large memory footprint and a lot of setup and teardown for each connection! If you use 10 or 20 concurrent connections to Wordpress on a smaller box, the memory will be exhau

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Kyle Waters
On 01/14/2014 10:51 AM, Daniel wrote: I would look into the reason for the slowness. Is the memory fully used? Is there a rogue process running? What is the root cause? If this is not identified it could happen somewhere else. I agree. I'd be interested in seeing some dstat output. Kyle /*

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Daniel
I would look into the reason for the slowness. Is the memory fully used? Is there a rogue process running? What is the root cause? If this is not identified it could happen somewhere else. -Daniel On Jan 14, 2014 10:05 AM, "Steve Alligood" wrote: > ok, for extreme speed[1] and still have the ben

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Grant Shipley
As others have said, take a look at your plugins and think about fronting it with a CDN (http://www.cloudflare.com/ for example). shameless plug: If you decide to move, consider OpenShift.  This is the project I work on at Red Hat.  We have pretty good wordpress hosting and the best part, its fr

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Steve Alligood
ok, for extreme speed[1] and still have the benefits of Wordpress, you can move the main index page and create a cron every five minutes to wget the real wordpress page and save it as a static index page. Comments, posts, etc, will take up to five minutes to show up, but an incredible number of

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Adam Stevenson
Wordpress is pretty slow for a number of reasons, but some easy things you can do to speed it up is to install a php op-code cache, and a word press cache plugin. I would recommend xcache http://xcache.lighttpd.net/ for the op code cache, and probably WP-Cache for the word press cache plugin. Oth

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Steve Alligood
also check your plugins. Some of them start to get bogged down as the history of your site gets longer. I remember dealing with one a few years ago (don't remember the name) that would parse the entire log history for every hit. Just Terrible. And Wordpress itself is not a bad thing, as long

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread David Landry
Before you jump ship, you might want to look into caching plugins. Wordpress doesn't cache much (if anything) out of the box. You'll probably get a good speed boost by setting up something like WP-Cache. --- David Landry On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Merrill Oveson wrote: > If you know ph

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Merrill Oveson
If you know php & html, then I'd recode using those. Wordpress is a hacker's paradise. When I worked tech support at BlueHost, every evening someone would call with a hacked CMS (Content Management System) either Wordpress, Drupal or Joomla. Wordpress by the way was the worse. I'm not surprised

Re: Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
I think you might have good luck with https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing All the stuff you're talking about only matters if you are expecting a large traffic footprint. On the scale of a personal blog you're better off beefing up CPU & RAM and looking at server level stuff. This site has been ex

Self hosted WordPress too slow

2014-01-14 Thread Robert Merrill
Pluggers, I've been hosting my own WordPress sites for seven years or so now, and the reality is that my sites are just running too slow. I'm using a virtual shared server on media Temple. Admittedly I'm paying $20 a month, so I don't expect best in class performance, but I have to do something

Re: Odd stress test results, now what?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
These guys. They have a free option that seems reasonably thorough. Brought my site down anyways. https://scanmyserver.com/ Eventually I plan to have a few different scans going, but for now I just want to get past this one. It picked up some interesting things too. Like a PHP easter egg that ha

Re: Odd stress test results, now what?

2014-01-14 Thread Richard K Miller
On a side note, can I ask what security scanning service you're using? Richard On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:16 AM, "S. Dale Morrey" wrote: > I'm building an online service. I expect that this may have to scale to > tens of thousands of users. For the sake of having a drop dead simple > deployment.

Re: Odd stress test results, now what?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
Very much so, thank you! I'll give it a shot this evening when I start working on the project again and let you know if it's any better. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Mike Lovell wrote: > On 01/14/2014 04:16 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > >> I'm building an online service. I expect that this

Re: Odd stress test results, now what?

2014-01-14 Thread Mike Lovell
On 01/14/2014 04:16 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: I'm building an online service. I expect that this may have to scale to tens of thousands of users. For the sake of having a drop dead simple deployment. I decided to build the website front end on top of Drupal (the service itself is linked to from

Odd stress test results, now what?

2014-01-14 Thread S. Dale Morrey
I'm building an online service. I expect that this may have to scale to tens of thousands of users. For the sake of having a drop dead simple deployment. I decided to build the website front end on top of Drupal (the service itself is linked to from the site, but is actually delivered by node.js