*on Monday, April 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jeff Jibson wrote:*
* *
*> It is available as an alternative, but definitely no adopting it as*
*> standard.*
* *
*> Here are some links that may be of interest:*
* *
*Thanks for those! That will be very helpful!*
* *
*--- Dan*
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at
On Mar 28, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Steve Alligood wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, March 28, 2013 08:32:19 AM Andy Bradford wrote:
>>> Can you point me to this overwhelming plethora of system administrators
>>> who were clamoring for systemd?
>>
>> I de
On 03/28/2013 07:43 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 16:58 -0600, Daniel Fussell wrote:
>>> Can you even name any of the issues that PulseAudio addressed?
>> Yes, network audio; and I've never see pulse do even a half decent job
>> of that. If there was another problem it solved, I
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Dan Egli wrote:
> Interesting idea. Anyone happen to know if Gentoo is rolling over to this?
> Once I get to the point where I can rebuild that ailing home server I
> mentioned before I'd prefer Gentoo. However I'm very familiar with the old
> init script system and
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Dan Egli wrote:
> *On March 28, 2013, levipear...@gmail.com wrote:*
>
>
> *Interesting idea. Anyone happen to know if Gentoo is rolling over to this?
> Once I get to the point where I can rebuild that ailing home server I
> mentioned before I'd prefer Gentoo. Howe
*On March 28, 2013, levipear...@gmail.com wrote:*
* *
*> Anyway, systemd has nothing to do with making life easier for new users.
It aims to make life better for sysadmins, > though admittedly not the ones
who are set in their ways and can't be bothered to learn new things. It's a
little more*
On 03/28/2013 08:31 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 08:32 -0600, Andy Bradford wrote:
>
> I count myself among the sysadmins who welcomed systemd. I wouldn't say
> I clamored. Frankly, as I get older I get lazier and the thought of
> learning something new didn't excite me. But the
On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 08:32 -0600, Andy Bradford wrote:
> Can you point me to this overwhelming plethora of system administrators
> who were clamoring for systemd?
I count myself among the sysadmins who welcomed systemd. I wouldn't say
I clamored. Frankly, as I get older I get lazier and the thou
On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 16:58 -0600, Daniel Fussell wrote:
> > Can you even name any of the issues that PulseAudio addressed?
> Yes, network audio; and I've never see pulse do even a half decent job
> of that. If there was another problem it solved, I'm not aware of it.
Bzzzt, wrong. When PulseA
On 03/28/2013 04:49 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
>> And so they chased after an OS that was once again dumbing down the
>> interface to meet the intelligence of it's "users". This might work for
>> the general masses. But someone that seeks enl
On 03/28/2013 04:19 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
> Or maybe, I just need to move next door to Michael. We could play lawn
> pong using old keyboard to knock hippy kids over the shared fence.
Ahem. They were cool, hip kids. We're the long-haired hippy types now
with our old-school free software id
On 03/28/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 03/28/2013 02:42 PM, Alan Evans wrote:
>> Long and short of it.
>>
>> 1. Edit /etc/default/grub and make sure the following are set the way
>> you want and uncommented.
>> GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600x16
>> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
>
> I'll give that tr
On 03/28/2013 02:42 PM, Alan Evans wrote:
> Long and short of it.
>
> 1. Edit /etc/default/grub and make sure the following are set the way
> you want and uncommented.
> GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600x16
> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
I'll give that try on my virtual machine. From what I can see grub's
scre
On 03/28/2013 08:15 AM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 07:00 -0600, Jeff Jibson wrote:
>> "A solution in search of a problem," sounds like PulseAudio... oh, that was
>> written by Lennart Poettering too. That should be enough reason to make
>> you run in terror.
> I love how many peo
On 03/28/2013 07:00 AM, Jeff Jibson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
>> On 03/27/2013 08:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
>>> What the heck is this new systemd? How is it different? Why is
>>> everyone moving to it?
>> The downside is that it's a very opaque system t
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Fussell wrote:
> And so they chased after an OS that was once again dumbing down the
> interface to meet the intelligence of it's "users". This might work for
> the general masses. But someone that seeks enlightenment and truth
> wants an interface the pul
On 03/28/2013 02:20 PM, Jared Smith wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> Guess with an increasing divergence here in the short term, that
>> advice wouldn't be so useful anymore.
>>
>> Anyway I think I will give Fedora 18 a go on my main workstation and see
>> if I ca
On 03/28/2013 02:22 AM, Levi Pearson wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> The only problem with these decisions made by someone else is that many
>> of these changes are made to make life easier for the mythical new user
>> that Fedora developers and Gnome developers seem
On 03/27/2013 09:04 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> Revolt is not the right description, all you're seeing is the usual
> Linux community moaning when something important changes.
Right. Revolt is what you get when Gnome3 happens.
Gnome3 happens. Get over it.
;-Daniel Fussell
/*
PLUG: http://plug.o
On 03/28/2013 09:14 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote:
> On Thursday, March 28, 2013 08:32:19 AM Andy Bradford wrote:
>
> I definitely ran into frustration with init on several occasions. systemd is
> more sophisticated and seems to solve a lot of problems init had. I'm still
> wrapping my brain around it.
To try to answer the original question... How to change the console
resolution. I find that the Arch Wiki has LOTS of great info relevant
to more than just Arch.
Caveat emptor: There are often subtle differences between distros.
i.e. on Arch one uses grub-mkconfig and /boot/grub/grub.cfg on Fedo
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Guess with an increasing divergence here in the short term, that
> advice wouldn't be so useful anymore.
>
> Anyway I think I will give Fedora 18 a go on my main workstation and see
> if I can get comfortable with systemd.
In the short term
On 03/28/2013 01:27 PM, Jared Smith wrote:
> So instead of seeing Fedora as a test bed for RHEL, I see RHEL as the
> boring old stuff from two or three versions back of Fedora. I realize
> that it's a subtle difference, but it's an important difference.
Interesting points. I used to tell my stud
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Charles Curley
wrote:
> Hear, hear! Quite right. Linux is about choice. You can be bleeding
> edge or conservative; either way Linux will accommodate you. But with
> choice comes responsibility: the responsibility to know what's out
> there (or know someone who do
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Doran L. Barton wrote:
> On Thursday, March 28, 2013 08:32:19 AM Andy Bradford wrote:
>> Can you point me to this overwhelming plethora of system administrators
>> who were clamoring for systemd?
>
> I definitely ran into frustration with init on several occasions.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:37:52 -0400
Jared Smith wrote:
> In short, let me add that if you're looking for a conservative Linux
> desktop environment that rarely changes and doesn't push its users
> (and yes, sometimes drags them kicking and screaming) into the future,
> then Fedora probably isn't t
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> As for important changes, I can't see a single benefit to the new Fedora
> installer.
I agree that the anaconda rewrite that made its debut in Fedora 18
left much to be desired -- unfortunately, it was a necessary rewrite,
even if it delay
The anaconda redesign process wasn't nearly as capricious as one might
guess by the first development result. If you've followed
http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ you may have noticed all the design notes
and information from the UI designers blog:
http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/category/fedora/anaconda
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 09:49:44 PM Michael Torrie wrote:
> As for important changes, I can't see a single benefit to the new Fedora
> installer.
Oh, Anaconda. Fedora is meant to be bleeding edge and Anaconda in F18 is a
perfect example of that. I like how it handles network installs with ea
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 08:32:19 AM Andy Bradford wrote:
> Can you point me to this overwhelming plethora of system administrators
> who were clamoring for systemd?
I definitely ran into frustration with init on several occasions. systemd is
more sophisticated and seems to solve a lot of pro
Thus said Jared Smith on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:31:40 -0400:
> Systemd is about creating the next generation init system (and a few
> other pieces of plumbing). It's aimed squarely at the sys-admin
> who wants parallel startup of services, ordered dependencies,
> socket-activated se
On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 07:00 -0600, Jeff Jibson wrote:
> "A solution in search of a problem," sounds like PulseAudio... oh, that was
> written by Lennart Poettering too. That should be enough reason to make
> you run in terror.
I love how many people are willng to dismiss Poettering's work because
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:22 AM, Levi Pearson wrote:
> Anyway, systemd has nothing to do with making life easier for new users. It
> aims to make life better for sysadmins, though admittedly not the ones who
> are set in their ways and can't be bothered to learn new things. It's a
> little more
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 03/27/2013 08:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> > What the heck is this new systemd? How is it different? Why is
> > everyone moving to it?
>
> The downside is that it's a very opaque system that, for speed purposes,
> eschews scripts in
On Mar 27, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
> The only problem with these decisions made by someone else is that many
> of these changes are made to make life easier for the mythical new user
> that Fedora developers and Gnome developers seem to be catering to,
> which really doesn't exi
On 03/27/2013 09:04 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> Revolt is not the right description, all you're seeing is the usual
> Linux community moaning when something important changes. systemd is a
> fait accompli. Most of the major distros have already crowned it king.
> Debian hasn't because systemd takes
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 21:45 -0500, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> I don't pretend to know enough about the distinctions to make a
> judgement on my own. However I see a revolt brewing over it's use.
> Sell it to me, (or sell me against it), please.
Revolt is not the right description, all you're seeing
On 03/27/2013 08:27 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 19:52 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> And for systemd itself, is there any document out there that describes
>> the boot process now?
>
> I'm sure you've already looked at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd
I read it about a
Ok I get the let me google that for you. I used google before I asked
the question and it didn't provide a coherent response.
My question should have been worded more along the lines of "why is
everyone switching over to it?" Seems like what we had did it's job
and did it well, or at least well e
On 03/27/2013 08:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> What the heck is this new systemd? How is it different? Why is
> everyone moving to it?
It's a fast, parallel boot system that replaces init and the standard
system V shell scripts. Distros are moving to it mainly because
apparently boot-up speed
systemd is a new window manager and mp3 player. It was created by time
traveling Mayans sent from the past by the future to the present in a
last ditch attempt to prevent the second socks/sandals apocalypse.
Research has shown that systemd increases gerbil productivity by 300%.
It may be the reason
What the heck is this new systemd? How is it different? Why is
everyone moving to it?
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 03/27/2013 08:15 PM, Andy Bradford wrote:
>> Thus said Michael Torrie on Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:52:46 -0600:
>>
>>> I want to try to understand it and
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 19:52 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote:
> And for systemd itself, is there any document out there that describes
> the boot process now?
I'm sure you've already looked at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd
Which leads to: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-docs.html
Bu
On 03/27/2013 08:15 PM, Andy Bradford wrote:
> Thus said Michael Torrie on Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:52:46 -0600:
>
>> I want to try to understand it and how to work with it before I chuck
>> the works and go to something more sane like, heaven forbid, Debian
>> (or since I'm a wimp, Linux Mint Debi
So I finally am trying to get something more recent up and running to
replace my aging Fedora 14 desktop. I've always liked Fedora and Red
Hat because I'm very comfortable with all aspects of the rpm and, until
recently, I fully understood how Fedora booted and ran. Unfortunately
now Fedora devel
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