Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Jim
I can think of one right now.  Plug in a usb storage device and the little usb icon appears at the bottom of the screen.  Click on it and get the option  to open in the file manager.  I get a malformed url error.  There are other ways to access the device. On 09/04/2018 03:12 PM, Brian Cluff

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Brian Cluff
On 09/04/2018 07:25 PM, Matthew Crews wrote: There are other minor quirks with Nvidia graphics that are irritating to work with, however for the purposes of this email thread, I am not advocating any specific graphics vendor except when discussing Plasma Desktop. I was specifically talking about

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Matthew Crews
On 9/4/18 7:12 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: > On 09/04/2018 06:27 PM, Matthew Crews wrote: >> as long as you stick with AMD or Intel graphics >> drivers (Nvidia graphics don't play nice with it, or else I would be >> using it too). > > I've had exactly the opposite experience with nvidia vs amd... unl

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Brian Cluff
On 09/04/2018 06:27 PM, Matthew Crews wrote: as long as you stick with AMD or Intel graphics drivers (Nvidia graphics don't play nice with it, or else I would be using it too). I've had exactly the opposite experience with nvidia vs amd... unless you are speaking about only using the open so

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Matthew Crews
On 9/3/18 10:50 PM, Jim wrote: > I've been using Kubuntu for 5 years now since I freed my computer from > windows and started running linux.  For most of that time I used Kubuntu > 14.  I tried 16, but soon gave up on it because there were too many > bugs.  In July I put Kubuntu 18 on this machi

Re: Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

2018-09-04 Thread Michael Butash
If you import email via any number of means into gmail or app in any way, you're feeding the beast despite what they say. You can configure gmail not to scrape users from email contacts, and I do this default, but doesn't mean they're not in their database still for "private" use by google. Agree

RE: Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

2018-09-04 Thread Carruth, Rusty
I use K-9 mail ("Fetch mail", get it?), and as far as I know it knows nothing about GMAIL. But then, I doubt you were talking about Android Phone apps :-) Google mail ('gmail') now (seems to) refuses to work with Mozilla mail (or whatever its called these days) unless you turn on the 'allow ins

Re: Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

2018-09-04 Thread Matt Birkholz
On Mon, 2018-09-03 at 19:25 -0700, Victor Odhner wrote: > I use Google for the calendar, but make only occasional use of GMail. > > I have this little game of seeing how much I can avoid handing over to Google. > So on my old phone, I only synchronized my calendar items with Google. > I avoided sy

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Michael Butash
I ran debian for a bit for my work laptop, but found that even though close to ubuntu, there was greatly decreased compatibility with anything like drivers or dpkg compatibility. Everything 3rd party dpkg just ass-u-me's ubuntu, which always broke things for me with bad dependencies and general ch

Re: Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

2018-09-04 Thread Victor Odhner
much information about anyone. Take care, Victor Odhner _ On 20180904, at 13:27, Matt Graham wrote: On 2018-09-03 19:25, Victor Odhner wrote: > So on my old phone, I only synchronized my calendar items with Google. > I avoided synching everything else, there was no need. > T

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Brian Cluff
On 09/03/2018 10:50 PM, Jim wrote: I've been using Kubuntu for 5 years now since I freed my computer from windows and started running linux.  For most of that time I used Kubuntu 14.  I tried 16, but soon gave up on it because there were too many bugs.  In July I put Kubuntu 18 on this machine.

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 10:40:59 -0700 Matt Birkholz wrote: > So to add to Steve's list of questions: What would you want your > granny to use? On the other hand, I've gained some decent security by obscurity from the fact that I use Openbox with dmenu hooked in with the Shift+Ctrl+semicolon hotkey

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 10:06:05 -0700 Jim wrote: > On 09/04/2018 09:46 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > I think your near-future decisions are much more wide ranging than > > Kubuntu vs Debian Stable: > > > > * Do you want to keep using KDE? > Yes > > * Where on the "User Friendly" vs DIY spectrum do you

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Jim
I use this machine for my music and video collection.  I also do some occasional video editing.  Kdenlive is good enough for that. Also I do the usual stuff- web surfing, email, etc.  I also have a samba server on here to make it easier to move data from my phone to the computer.  I've found pl

Re: Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

2018-09-04 Thread Matt Graham
On 2018-09-03 19:25, Victor Odhner wrote: So on my old phone, I only synchronized my calendar items with Google. I avoided synching everything else, there was no need. That was in the not-evil days: now it seems to be sync all or nothing. Q: IF I’M USING A DIFFERENT MAIL CLIENT FOR NON-GOOGLE EM

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Stephen Partington
She is awesome. reminds me of a customer I worked with at Visionman computers several moons ago. I helped guide her through reseating ram and CPU over the phone and she was set (damned ups). She called in 3-4 months later asking if her computer was linux compatible. I explained that it was 95% comp

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Bob Elzer
P.s. let's not forget tech savvy grandma Betty who was asking questions and installing Linux on her computer with the help of the mailing list. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 11:29 AM Bob Elzer wrote: > To break that down, how computer savvy is the user. I agree mint is great > for the not so savvy. Even

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Bob Elzer
To break that down, how computer savvy is the user. I agree mint is great for the not so savvy. Even for the savvy that don't want complicated. But if you want a server and being able to do lots of stuff, my choice is centos. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 10:41 AM Matt Birkholz wrote: > I find myself

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Matt Birkholz
I find myself proselytizing. (Skynet comes!) So if friends and family see something at my house they like I reflexively tell them they can have a similar setup for free(dom). I want them seeing Ubuntu, maybe Mint, because I can't imagine them using anything easier on the non- programmer. And I

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Bob Elzer
Jim, how much memory do you have? You could always create some virtual machines to try some different distros. On Sep 4, 2018 10:06 AM, "Jim" wrote: On 09/04/2018 09:46 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > I think your near-future decisions are much more wide ranging than > Kubuntu vs Debian Stable: > > *

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Bob Elzer
Excellent Steve, Jim needs to make a list of what he does and uses on his Linux box. I used to upgrade on every release of Red hat by doing a fresh install, but every six months was a lot of work. Now I use Centos because of long term support and the fact it has so many things I can do with it.

RE: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Carruth, Rusty
My stupid email client (OutBreak) doesn't know about quoting, sorry. (And I'm at work, so have no choice in the matter - can't use a REAL email client ;-) So, I'll agree with Steve's great set of questions. In my case, I've chosen Linux Mint (which does have a KDE version) - primarily because

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Jim
On 09/04/2018 09:46 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I think your near-future decisions are much more wide ranging than Kubuntu vs Debian Stable: * Do you want to keep using KDE? Yes * Where on the "User Friendly" vs DIY spectrum do you want to reside When I install it, I want it to just work, but I want

Re: Debian 9 vs Ubuntu 18

2018-09-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 22:50:41 -0700 Jim wrote: > I've been using Kubuntu for 5 years now since I freed my computer > from windows and started running linux.  For most of that time I used > Kubuntu 14.  I tried 16, but soon gave up on it because there were > too many bugs.  In July I put Kubuntu 18