Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-26 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
I'm going to get it back with either a new SSD or needing a new computer. Either was it will be blank. So I have been a faithful procurer of MINT since Mint12 but was thinking of trying another OS. What would you all recommend? I am considering VOID or MANJARO. What are the benefits of each. What a

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-26 Thread T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
I would recommend not Manjaro because it's just a less-good arch linux. I use Arch Linux. Depends what you're looking for, though. Zack On 22/08/26 05:45PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I'm going to get it back with either a new SSD or needing a new computer. > Either was it will be blank.

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-26 Thread Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss
Manjaro is good. > On Aug 26, 2022, at 5:50 PM, T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > I would recommend not Manjaro because it's just a less-good arch linux. > I use Arch Linux. Depends what you're looking for, though. > > > Zack > >> On 22/08/26 05:45PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-26 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
Please, how does one install arch? The last time I tried I was unsuccessful at it. On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 8:50 PM T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > I would recommend not Manjaro because it's just a less-good arch linux. > I use Arch Linux. Depends what

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
On Fri, 2022-08-26 at 17:50 -0700, T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I would recommend not Manjaro because it's just a less-good arch linux. > I use Arch Linux. Depends what you're looking for, though. Or, Artix could be used in order to get the benefits of Arch without systemd. SteveT -

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
Why would u not want system d? On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 4:15 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2022-08-26 at 17:50 -0700, T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > I would recommend not Manjaro because it's just a less-good arch linux. > > I use

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
two main reasons. one is ideological. the way systemd was put into the community rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. i won't get into the details, you can google for that whole war. no sense bringing it up again. two is simplicity. systemd is now over a million lines of code. to put that in

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
So do you recommend system d for a desktop? It assms you don't and then you do. On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 8:44 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > two main reasons. > > one is ideological. the way systemd was put into the community rubbed a > lot of people

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
Oh sorry, I must have buried the lead. I use systemd linux systems for my desktopy desktops (ubuntu and fedora mostly). Aka, the ones i check email, browse the web, play games on. For my developery desktops I do not use systemd, but that is born of pure frustration and malding. On Sat, Aug 27,

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
thank yout for the advice. On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Oh sorry, I must have buried the lead. I use systemd linux systems for my > desktopy desktops (ubuntu and fedora mostly). Aka, the ones i check email, > browse th

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
also, it was mentioned that arch has benefits. what are those? On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:12 AM Michael wrote: > thank yout for the advice. > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Oh sorry, I must have buried the lead.

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
arch has probably the best community (and wiki) in the business. they also have a huge (and relatively simple) extended software library (AUR) the main reason most people will speak of arch is that it is a rolling (or streaming) release. so with fedora or ubuntu, you get new versions every 6 mon

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
wonderful. with breaking patches: is it fixed like the next day or is it usually later than that? On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:21 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > arch has probably the best community (and wiki) in the business. they > also have a huge (an

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
oh, they have a good test system. what i mean is breaking versions. upgrading from one version of software to another. say a kernel that decides a particular tuning variable is no longer used in favor of something else. and all the sudden your database performance chunks horribly because you ha

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
this has weird knockon effects too. since arch is rolling release, and highly customizable, they don't tend to switch up major pieces often. say with fedora they decided to go to ext3 to ext4 to xfs, then btrfs filesystems. now, if you run the upgrade scripts on time you can go from fedora 35 to

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
I'll second arch, I've been using it for a good 4-5 years now, and only thing I run on personal hardware anymore. That said, it can be cranky, even with rolling updates. I've had them randomly blow up at least one system that I couldn't figure out how to fix, and upgrades can be a pain with AUR r

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Michael via PLUG-discuss
thanks for telling me about this mb. I'm not advanced enough in my knowledge of Linux to use arch. I'll stick with mint but what about manjaro? Manjaro users: Do you have the same issue with it; is it good for a casual Linux user?? On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 1:31 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discus

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
On Sat, 2022-08-27 at 05:44 -0700, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 4:38 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > Why would u not want system d? I never used systemd for the same reason I kicked every KDE executable and lib

Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

2022-08-27 Thread T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
Manjaro is supposed to have repositories with slightly older and more stable software, but in my experience it's less stable and well-documented. Manjaro also comes a bit more pre-configured but I don't really see the point in that now that arch has a guided installer. At this point in time, I d