Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 23:31 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On 12/30/07, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >>> cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Witho

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, > > > >>> there are no crops. > > > >> Really? Most of

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:42 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, > > >>> there are no crops. > > >> Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull > >

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:21 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: > > > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:00 -0700, der.hans wrote: > >> Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: > > >>> the filing > >>> http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?filename=atlantic_howell_071207RIA

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
> > Are you trying to troll in favor of a Big Brother environment? > no, but I know enough about how the OSS world works to know that many of its highly held notions are quite another animal altogether when brought into the Real World. And unfortunately, the Real World is the place we all live

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Kevin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, > >>> there are no crops. > >> Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull > >> in lots of crops. > > > > Really? I think I'll just go over t

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: On 12/30/07, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They se

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Scott so: > > > I think you're getting a little over-excited there. > > The point, I believe, that Josh is trying to make is > > that the RIAA had a number of songs flagged awhile > > back that could "phone home" when the

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Kevin Brown
>>> cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, >>> there are no crops. >> Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull >> in lots of crops. > > Really? I think I'll just go over there and get me some. Who says > whats wild and what is the fa

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:00 -0700, der.hans wrote: Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: the filing http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?filename=atlantic_howell_071207RIAASupplementalBrief Section C. on page 15? Does that document say that

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: > > > cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, > > there are no crops. > > Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull > in lots of crops. Real

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:00 -0700, der.hans wrote: > Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: > > > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: > >> get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up > >> > >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/2

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Scott so: I think you're getting a little over-excited there. The point, I believe, that Josh is trying to make is that the RIAA had a number of songs flagged awhile back that could "phone home" when they're downloaded via the internet. The songs called home? Or do y

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so: cannot ignore the need for some level of province. Without fences, there are no crops. Really? Most of the farms I know of don't have fences. They seem to pull in lots of crops. In my experience, fences are used on farms and ranches to keep the a

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread der.hans
Am 30. Dec, 2007 schwätzte Craig White so: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html Clearly Apple, Microsoft et al. are turning us

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:22 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > On 12/30/07, Alan Dayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > --[clip good stuff]-- > > > > I haven't been appreciating Lawrence Lessig as of late, he appears

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
Tony Soprano has an offer for you that I am sure you won't be able to refuse ;-) On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:25 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Sorry, my generation has a hard time appreciating what is sometimes > called 'Dude Rock'. But to each, his own! > > http://www.mulletsgalore.com/ > >

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:22 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On 12/30/07, Alan Dayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > --[clip good stuff]-- > > > I haven't been appreciating Lawrence Lessig as of late, he appears > > > to have sold out to some kind of academic or corporate

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Sorry, my generation has a hard time appreciating what is sometimes called 'Dude Rock'. But to each, his own! http://www.mulletsgalore.com/ I do like The Cars, however. -jmz On 12/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You think that Journey is crap? I feel sorry for yo

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
On 12/30/07, Alan Dayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Zeidner wrote: > --[clip good stuff]-- > > I haven't been appreciating Lawrence Lessig as of late, he appears > > to have sold out to some kind of academic or corporate interest. A > > lot of relevant issues have been propping up, and

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 20:20 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > >> > >> Seriously, if the RIAA wants to put space-shifting on the table, I think > >> they will loose twice: Once as more and more people abandon their > >> product

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread bmike101
You think that Journey is crap? I feel sorry for you! > > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:59 -0700, Joshua Zeidner > > wrote: > > > the funniest part about it is the songs she was > > downloading: > > > > > >Destiny's Child "Bills,Bills,Bills" > > >Journey "Don't Stop Believin" > > > > > > do

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Alan Dayley
Joshua Zeidner wrote: --[clip good stuff]-- > I haven't been appreciating Lawrence Lessig as of late, he appears > to have sold out to some kind of academic or corporate interest. A > lot of relevant issues have been propping up, and Lessig hasn't said a > word, instead he now concentrates on so

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Alan Dayley
Craig White wrote: > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 20:20 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: >> >> Seriously, if the RIAA wants to put space-shifting on the table, I think >> they will loose twice: Once as more and more people abandon their >> products and again when the courts tell them to take a hike. > > the

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: > get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html > > Clearly Apple, Microsoft et al. are turning us into lawbreakers OK - did a lit

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Well I think its an indicator of how absurd thier thinking is. What if I have a sound file in my temporary web cache that I got from visiting a site? Can they take me to court? In order to enforce copyright at the level they appear to be aiming for, would require regulations at the hardware

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Scott
If they did go that route, then they would have more up against them in the realm of software copyrights. --- Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > one point I was pondering the other day... if it > is illegal to have > a copyrighted file on your hard drive, is it illegal > to have a > bi

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
one point I was pondering the other day... if it is illegal to have a copyrighted file on your hard drive, is it illegal to have a bittorrent piece as well? if so, then every bittorrent user is liable for CR infringement /regardless of whether they are actively sharing a Copyrighted File/! it

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 20:24 -0700, JD Austin wrote: > Looks like a good argument for encrypting your music with something like > truecrypt... let them PROVE that the Huge file is really music files. > > Honestly I will cheer the day when the RIAA/MPAA and their outdated > music distribution syst

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 20:20 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: > Come-on now! Journey "Don't Stop Believin"?? I drove my mom crazy > playing that 45 RPM over and over again so I could play my air-drum set! > > Seriously, if the RIAA wants to put space-shifting on the table, I think > they will loose twic

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread JD Austin
Looks like a good argument for encrypting your music with something like truecrypt... let them PROVE that the Huge file is really music files. Honestly I will cheer the day when the RIAA/MPAA and their outdated music distribution system is gone. For now I'll just not buy their music or movies;

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Scott
I think you're getting a little over-excited there. The point, I believe, that Josh is trying to make is that the RIAA had a number of songs flagged awhile back that could "phone home" when they're downloaded via the internet. There's a certain paragraph there that says the words are "I suppose..

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Alan Dayley
Come-on now! Journey "Don't Stop Believin"?? I drove my mom crazy playing that 45 RPM over and over again so I could play my air-drum set! Seriously, if the RIAA wants to put space-shifting on the table, I think they will loose twice: Once as more and more people abandon their products and again

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
You're scaring me. I seriously point out where the RIAA is claiming that it is illegal for a user to copy music from legally purchased CD's to his/her hard drive and you want to ridicule someone's music choices. On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 19:59 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > the funniest part about it

Re: It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Joshua Zeidner
the funniest part about it is the songs she was downloading: Destiny's Child "Bills,Bills,Bills" Journey "Don't Stop Believin" do they really think were going to risk getting sued to listen to this crap? -jmz On 12/30/07, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > get a load of this..

It's now illegal to turn on your computer

2007-12-30 Thread Craig White
get a load of this...it's not something someone can just make up http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html Clearly Apple, Microsoft et al. are turning us into lawbreakers Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing li

Re: Cinelerra question

2007-12-30 Thread Erich Newell
I've used Kino on several occasions for exactly this purpose. It only works with DV format, but can import most anything that I'm aware of. (As long as you have the appropriate codecs loaded) If you have very unusual format needs for input / output, you could use transcode or vlc beore / after as

Re: Cinelerra question

2007-12-30 Thread Vaughn Treude
Erich Newell wrote: > I was under the impression you wanted to do some *editing*. I use VLC > for streaming all the time for on-the-fly video conversion and > streaming. Let me know the specifics and I'm sure I can nudge you in > the right direction. > > Just in case you want to stream HD content:

Re: Cinelerra question

2007-12-30 Thread Erich Newell
I was under the impression you wanted to do some *editing*. I use VLC for streaming all the time for on-the-fly video conversion and streaming. Let me know the specifics and I'm sure I can nudge you in the right direction. Just in case you want to stream HD content: you'll need to build ffmpeg and