Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 20:10 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:54:23 -0700 > Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > try Ubuntu... jmz > > > > ubuntu 8.10 is both good and bad. > I have used ubuntu for a couple years now, and had no problems until 8.10 > I have bugs in for 2 things: >

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 19:48 -0700, leegold wrote: > Hi, > > I'm finding Xubuntu 8.10 to be unstable. A lot of people on this list > seem to be into Fedora disto - I'm downloading the iso now. It's ashame, > Xubuntu feels wonderful - but it acts weird, things freeze and crash. My > theory is that

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread James Mcphee
WIth ubuntu 8.10, I've had a problem with Pidgin sound and pulse-audio creating a huge memory leak. But settinng pidgin to use Alsa solves that. That's about the only problem I've had with any of my hardware. Xubuntu is a stripped-down implementation, and that may be part of your issue. On Fri,

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Stephen
I had no stability issues with 8.10 well none that I didn't create On 1/23/09, Jason wrote: > If you're finding a lot of distros freezing up, you may be looking at a > memory issue in your computer. > > Be sure it's the distro and not actually a hardware issue. > > On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 19:48 -07

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Jason
If you're finding a lot of distros freezing up, you may be looking at a memory issue in your computer. Be sure it's the distro and not actually a hardware issue. On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 19:48 -0700, leegold wrote: > Hi, > > I'm finding Xubuntu 8.10 to be unstable. A lot of people on this list >

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Jerry Davis
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:54:23 -0700 Joshua Zeidner wrote: > try Ubuntu... jmz > ubuntu 8.10 is both good and bad. I have used ubuntu for a couple years now, and had no problems until 8.10 I have bugs in for 2 things: my DVD drive doesn't work - so I am living w/o it I have a usb

Re: Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Joshua Zeidner
try Ubuntu... jmz On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:48 PM, leegold wrote: > Hi, > > I'm finding Xubuntu 8.10 to be unstable. A lot of people on this list > seem to be into Fedora disto - I'm downloading the iso now. It's ashame, > Xubuntu feels wonderful - but it acts weird, things freeze and crash. My

Trying Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread leegold
Hi, I'm finding Xubuntu 8.10 to be unstable. A lot of people on this list seem to be into Fedora disto - I'm downloading the iso now. It's ashame, Xubuntu feels wonderful - but it acts weird, things freeze and crash. My theory is that there are so many distros that the quality of the programmers

RE: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread Jason
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 00:36 -0700, Bob Elzer wrote: > They probably just layed off the Vista People :-) > They can't lay off the Vista people. Who would repackage Vista into Windows 7 and call it "new and different"? Windows 7 is to Vista as Obama is to Bush. (No different) > --

Re: OT: NY Times ('via' acm TechNews): PC worm -- known as Conflicker or Downadup

2009-01-23 Thread Charles Jones
Mike Schwartz wrote: * quotes: ("The worm [...] [exploits] a MS Windows vulnerability [...]"); http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/technology/internet/23worm.html?hp /New York Times (01/23/09) Markoff, John/ the above news item was summarized (and, linked to) from: http://technews.acm.or

OT: NY Times ('via' acm TechNews): PC worm -- known as Conflicker or Downadup

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Schwartz
*quotes: ("The worm [...] [exploits] a MS Windows vulnerability [...]"); http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/technology/internet/23worm.html?hp New York Times (01/23/09) Markoff, John the above news item was summarized (and, linked to) from: http://technews.acm.org/archives.cfm?fo=2009-01-jan/j

Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Kurtz
Totally agree with Eric here. If you want to learn Redhat (now commonly called "RedHat Enterprise Linux" or RHEL) do CentOS. We use it here at the office (we abandoned Fedora because its too bleeding edge) and haven't looked back. CentOS: All the convenience of RHEL and none of the pain. ...Chr

Re: OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-23 Thread Stephen
i do on an intelectual level, but not in reality... On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gerald Thurman wrote: > Stephen wrote: "The future of warfare is Technical not manpower anymore." > > A few years ago Bill Joy (BSD creator, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, > father of 'vi', etc.) was quoted sa

Re: OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-23 Thread Gerald Thurman
Stephen wrote: "The future of warfare is Technical not manpower anymore." A few years ago Bill Joy (BSD creator, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, father of 'vi', etc.) was quoted saying: "September 11 was essentially a collision of early 20th-century technology: the aeroplane and theskyscraper. W

RE: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread Bob Elzer
SSD's have a limited lifetime, after writing so many times to one spot, it will wear out. It's a big number but it is finite. Thus the firmware, makes sure it spreads around the writes on the SSD. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discus

Re: OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-23 Thread James Finstrom
Thats pretty funny, like going from an x-box to an atari I love atari... James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@l

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread Stephen
Crossover was very good for a number of things. the issues i had was trying to get some of the cisco apps to run, they may be java but id be durned to get them to work in anything but a VM, and then i needed to run the blackberry software and that ran in wine, but i didnt get the USB transaltion t

Re: OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 08:15 -0700, James Finstrom wrote: > Again not getting in to opinions of the man or his politics I think > Obama is wired enough that we will see a push for more tech in > government. I noticed whitehouse.gov got a face lift which makes it > look like his other sites so I thin

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread James Finstrom
I have had decent luck with crossover. It is not free software (but it was free as in beer for a day) I don't actually do much with it as I have been clean from windows so long I actually had to go seek out apps to install in it because I didn't use any windows apps. I was able to run googles new b

Re: OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-23 Thread Stephen
The future of warfare is Tenchincal not manpower anymore. The concept was really well highlighted in Live free or die hard we automate so many things and they are online.. you get into any of that our country can be shut down and then invasion is a cakewalk. so we need administration that is tec

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread Stephen
Honestly i liked vista, i ran the beta and it was weird but there were a number of thigns, the weird started to fade away as MS released backwards compatability patches and software developers wrote their code to be more compatible. Windows 7 is looking to fix a few of my bigger complaints of Vista

Re: OT: <--[maybe]; book review; also, expert says the US needs a CTO

2009-01-23 Thread James Finstrom
Again not getting in to opinions of the man or his politics I think Obama is wired enough that we will see a push for more tech in government. I noticed whitehouse.gov got a face lift which makes it look like his other sites so I think he brought his developers to washington. You will also not how

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread Joe Fleming
Yeah, I helped an ex of mine buy a laptop and she kept asking if she really needed Windows and saying that she wanted to delete it. Not because she didn't like it, she didn't realize it was the OS.. or really even understand what that meant. -Joe James Finstrom wrote: > Just a side note on pe

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread Stephen P Rufle
> For most people, a P4 running XP is all they will need for the rest > of their life in all honesty, until the machine dies on them. That means that once you get a person to go with an FLOSS solution they also will not stray. I would also be interested to know if those SSD in netbooks will make

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread keith smith
I think you are 100% correct.  We understand more, and some of you guys know the ends and outs.  Knowing all this comes at a price if it is not one's livelihood.  Keith Smith --- On Fri, 1/23/09, James Finstrom wrote: From: James Finstrom Subject: Re: OT: Microso

Re: OT: Microsoft layoffs

2009-01-23 Thread James Finstrom
Just a side note on perceptions. I use to do consuner support and the general population doesn't know what they use. Internet explorer is the big blue e or simply the internet. I have heard windows hp office xp I dunno windows and no its a compaq to describe the os. My wife doesn't care as long as