PLUG governance, etc.

Another thread about the sonoran penguin and making a theme for the website surfaced some discussion about the governance of PLUG. I'd like to enlighten that a little bit. The Steering Committee --- PLUG has a Steering Committee, members in no particular order: - Hans, a.

RE: Sonoran Penguin

Well it's not too eye catchy right now, it's pretty much the plain one I think with the log changed, so unless you came up with something horrible, everyone already likes the sonorant penguin. > -Original Message- > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discu

Re: Horribly OT

did anyone ever think that most people attending college are wasting their (parent's | governments | own) money? Most degrees are a waste. Take my wife's degree in sociology. Do you know what you can do with that? Nothing or wait tables. It was a waste. We need to reevaluate your higher education

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

Thanks Michael. It was in that repo, so now I'm back on yahoo, and happily plugging along with Heron. :) Michael Butash wrote: > I'm too impatient to stick with hardy, invariably I need fixes/features > in the new ones no one feels like backporting. > > There is/was a workaround for it by using

Re: Horribly OT

"you can always go into teaching." :) or grad school. or burn a pile of hundred dollar bills. -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/05/it_grad_sues_school/ > > Couldn't help but think of this... > > My buddy went for an anthropolo

Re: Horribly OT

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/05/it_grad_sues_school/ Couldn't help but think of this... My buddy went for an anthropology degree at a well respected east coast college, and has worked to survive as everything from a mechanic to tech support to management, none of which had any relevance t

Re: Sonoran Penguin

no way I would even bother without having my terms agreed to by a party who is in the position to do so. Its not asking a lot, its basically a safeguard against my time being utterly wasted. I've worked enough with these free-for-all technology groups to know what to expect of human nature. -jm

RE: Sonoran Penguin

Now I think you're procrastinating :-) First you said you would do it, and let everyone decide if we liked it. Now you don't want to. For all we know you might come up with a horrible design. You're going to have to show us what you got, before we say it should be the new theme. Time to put up

Re: Memory leaks in Ubuntu?

True enough it is tied to caching, but the fact it's marked as inactive when I can definitely attribute application termination from lack of memory is what I note as a problem. The system does not give this back in the way of virtual or physical memory. The system does however behave well enough

RE: Sonoran Penguin

Maybe you should say something political on their mail list :-) It might start things up. Just kidding, Nobody move, do not turn this joke into a another runaway thread. Back away from the keyboard. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bo

Re: Horribly OT

Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 20:12 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: >> We used to do that before World War Two and the GI Bill. Very few >> people went to college. If you were willing to sacrifice any pretense >> of a knowledge economy and to target a low wage-no tax strategy you >> coul

Re: Horribly OT

On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 20:12 -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: > > We used to do that before World War Two and the GI Bill. Very few > people went to college. If you were willing to sacrifice any pretense > of a knowledge economy and to target a low wage-no tax strategy you > could curtail all higher e

Re: Memory leaks in Ubuntu?

I have had major problems with the NVidia proprietary drivers, particularly with Ubuntu 9.04. It seems like NVidia introduced a ton of REALLY bad bugs when they had to almost rewrite the drivers for the changes in the new XOrg server. I haven't seen the memory behavior you describe, but have yo

Re: Horribly OT

We used to do that before World War Two and the GI Bill. Very few people went to college. If you were willing to sacrifice any pretense of a knowledge economy and to target a low wage-no tax strategy you could curtail all higher education government subsidy. If I were a politician I wouldn't wan

Re: Horribly OT

what I dont understand about the voucher system is, why are we taxing just to give back credits? why tax at all? -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Trent Shipley wrote: > Subsidies to community colleges and state universities should be > replaced with a one-size-fits-all higher education vou

Horribly OT

Subsidies to community colleges and state universities should be replaced with a one-size-fits-all higher education vouchers. Using vouchers will contribute to a free market in higher education services, leveling the playing field between the University of Phoenix, Grand Canyon University,

Re: Sonoran Penguin

I agree completely, but it seems every time we have some political discussion on here, PLUGs nervous system grows more extensive... -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of > motivation, but thus far I haven't seen

Re: Sonoran Penguin

I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of motivation, but thus far I haven't seen too much of an issue. Politics annoy me, but I've learned to simply ignore the cruft - others maybe not so much. I've not been watching or interacting with the list long, but I haven't seen much

Re: Sonoran Penguin

well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. Think about it... why would I do it? I dont have any guarantee it 1) will be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage, 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. Seems like the concer

Re: Sonoran Penguin

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear > management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a > total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we > currently have in abundance. Stop with these s

Re: Sonoran Penguin

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: >> Committee? >> >> No, we just make improvements.  No one gets to control things. ignoring the top posting's misposition [ ;) ], that is because on

Re: Sonoran Penguin

Yes, that's true with PLUG. Hans does a great deal, but needs non-profit status, regular people to just do things like update the website, order tee shirts and sell them (we all want tees) and run contests (shirt design) and do promotion (although a plugin for Drupal exists that allows for promoti

Re: Sonoran Penguin

Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending no one is running the show.

Re: Sonoran Penguin

I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( > > -jmz > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold > wrote: > > Comm

Re: BAD kubuntu

Dazed_75 wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Trent Shipley > wrote: > > > > Memtest86 passed. > > So far people have also suggested the cause as hardware > incompatibility, hard drive issues, BIOS (Dell's site does recommend > updating the

Re: Sonoran Penguin

Which is why practically nothing ever happens :( -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Committee? > > No, we just make improvements.  No one gets to control things. > > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>  Howdy, >> >>   ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal templat

Re: Sonoran Penguin

Committee? No, we just make improvements. No one gets to control things. On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > Howdy, > > ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The > whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs > and the steering committee can de

Re: Using the Broken Filter to find packages in Synaptic package manager

Here is the error E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libnspr4-dev_4.7.5-0ubuntu0.9.04.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/aclocal/nspr.m4', which is also in package kompozer-dev On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:45 PM, AZ RUNE wrote: > I know I have two broken package that won't let me update libnspr4-dev

Re: Using the Broken Filter to find packages in Synaptic package manager

AZ RUNE wrote: > I know I have two broken package that won't let me update libnspr4-dev > (Development files for netscape) but I am having the darndest time > finding them even when I try to config the broken filter to point them > out. > > Any ideas? > > Brian What's broken about them? Could y

Using the Broken Filter to find packages in Synaptic package manager

I know I have two broken package that won't let me update libnspr4-dev (Development files for netscape) but I am having the darndest time finding them even when I try to config the broken filter to point them out. Any ideas? Brian --- PLUG-discuss m

Re: Sonoran Penguin

Howdy, ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG. The whole process should be a few days work. I will make design proofs and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.). The designs will be based on the concept Li

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

I'm too impatient to stick with hardy, invariably I need fixes/features in the new ones no one feels like backporting. There is/was a workaround for it by using a different yahoo login host, scsa.msg.yahoo.com that worked for me before getting the pidgin fix. Have you tried the ppa for pidgin-de

Re: Memory leaks in Ubuntu?

I should have mentioned, I have no issues with servers, only desktops running x. I have a server in my house with a year and a half uptime with vmware on hardy. :) -mb On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:32 -0700, Stephen wrote: > I honestly have not seen this as an issue before, but i usually poked > my

Re: Memory leaks in Ubuntu?

I honestly have not seen this as an issue before, but i usually poked my machines with a sick until they rebooted once a week because of what i was doing to them. the servers i have running run for a month at a time without a reboot. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > Has an

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

FWIW, I'm patiently sticking with the LTS track (Heron at this point). The only problem I'm having with it (that I know of) is getting the update to Pidgin for yahoo backported. Michael Butash wrote: > Contemplate long and hard upgrading, I've had a host of quirky issues > since updating ibex to

Memory leaks in Ubuntu?

Has anyone else seen or experienced persistent memory leaks with ubuntu 32bit or 64? I've literally had issues with it that may or may not be particularly ubuntu issues back to 7.04 that I first noticed. The only thing really in common system-wise is the hardware, and I somewhat suspect it's Nvid

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

Contemplate long and hard upgrading, I've had a host of quirky issues since updating ibex to jaunty that have been annoying me. These include screen saver not working (and subsequent locking), random x crashes when I scroll wheel in firefox (wtf?), and still the same old memory leaks that I've see

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

I managed to find the obscure link I used to removed gnome-panel in the first place (and subsequently restored it). Basically, I opened gconf-editor, went to /apps/gnome/session/required_components and removed the entry for "panel". All I had to do was add "gnome-panel" back in, remove AVN and Stal

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 09:57 -0700, Joe wrote: > Is there a way to quickly change all my setting back to defaults? I > realize I could make a new user or possibly blow away my home dir and > start totally fresh, but I rather do neither (unless those are the only > options, of course). I would work b

Re: Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

You can remove the .gnome directory Wich should reset gnome only On 8/5/09, Joe wrote: > Hey all, > > So, a while back, I made a ton of changes to my main user account. I > removed the gnome-panel completely and replaced it with Avant Window > Navigator and Stalonetray. They have served me prett

Restoring defaults in Ubuntu Gnome

Hey all, So, a while back, I made a ton of changes to my main user account. I removed the gnome-panel completely and replaced it with Avant Window Navigator and Stalonetray. They have served me pretty well for a while, but I think I want to go back to the default Gnome settings. Default session, d

Re: Sonoran Penguin

im game for it... and honestly im curious about the process On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >  If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for > the PLUG site using this concept. > >  -jmz > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote: >> On Tue,

Re: Sonoran Penguin

its because she has been posting all the goofy but entertainaing motivationals/demotivationals regarding linux and other geek things... and kittens... On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >  I made it with GIMP.  How come no one liked it when I posted it > I need to fire my P

Re: Sonoran Penguin

I also suggested this to Hans 19 months ago when he first published it on the list. I suggested it twice more, but never got a response. I built a new server to update our Debian and Drupal, but it didn't go anywhere, we are all really busy with other things. The theme can be easily changed and

Re: Sonoran Penguin

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Joshua has a new PLUG image everyone loves. > > He is offering to write a Drupal template for PLUG. My response is: Go, Joshua, go! Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.ph

Fwd: Sonoran Penguin

Joshua has a new PLUG image everyone loves. He is offering to write a Drupal template for PLUG. -- Forwarded message -- From: Joshua Zeidner Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:42:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin To: Main PLUG discussion list If everyone likes this, I can offer to

Re: Mysql updating dates in a table

On Aug 4, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Craig White wrote: I need to update almost all (but not quite all) records in a data table because the dates were imported like '08/04/09' instead of '2009-08-04' I am looking at the mysql reference manual but it doesn't appear that it would be easy to script