der.hans wrote:
[1] The photo radar flashes can cause a white out effect on the driver
when they go off. This is a huge problem for motorcyclists as it blinds
them for a second and worse blinds the car drivers near them[3]. I have
even had my cabin white out due to a photo radar flash at dusk
Can't help but wonder what that might do to landing pilots too.
Probably nothing...
Not to discredit your statement in any way, but to clarify the aviation
detail:
First, the light impulse will be too small, too far and too out of the way
to be a concern, the landing pilot will be focus on
Don't talk bad about the cops, they will come and take all your
computers away ;-)
http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/02/phoenix-police-raid-home-of-blogger-whose-writing-is-highly-critical-of-them/
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On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light
of adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say
5 or 6 seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am
Can't resist getting in on this one!
:=)
der.hans wrote:
Am 02. Apr, 2009 schwätzte Josef Lowder so:
On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow
light of
adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:43 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:24 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of
adequate length to safely stop after noticing
, 2009 8:48 AM
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Bryan O'Neal wrote:
Cool, where can I get a copy of this report?
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Josef
On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of
adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6
seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am agenst speed limits and
believe it
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:24 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of
adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6
seconds. As for the speed
On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Craig White wrote:
If speed were the only issue, let's just lower the speed limits
everywhere and people will be much safer. I am quite certain that if
the
speed limit on the 101 was 45 mp/h, there would hardly be any
fatalities.
Aside from road-rage
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:24 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
Photo radar saves lives. Period.
So does driving responsibly... and, you know, paying attention.
According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of photo
radar, crashes are down by 12%, injuries have been cut by 17%,
I have to concur with the other critics of speed cameras. Any
statistical
data generated by the DPS should be carefully examined and verified
before making conclusive statements.
I do agree speed does play a role in severity of accidents and it should
be considered a factor in decreased time
On 4/2/09, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:
link to those statistics?
http://photoenforcement.azdps.gov/Questions/
A comprehensive statistical analysis was recently conducted by the
Arizona State University for the Arizona Department of Transportation
(ADOT) and the Arizona Department of
Personally to me the fact whether or not speed cameras save lives is
irrelevant. The #1 reason the speed cameras were installed was due to
the money they would bring in, not for our safety. Yet when people
complain about them, they try to play the safety card instead of just
admitting they
Did you read the report?
Statements like not statistically relavant don't speak well for the study.
Statistical variations of 20% speak for the poor (very noisy) data, at least
in my opinion (receiving a PhD degree in statistical signal processing for
what its worth).
Those results should be taken
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 10:55 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
There is no sensible basis for opposing photo radar speed limit enforcement.
Give me a break... if the people don't want it, and the government is
supposed to work for the people, that is a sensible basis.
Opposition to photo radar is
Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I don't believe that they were put in
place only for the money. The company that built the cameras is not
getting a cut of the profits. They are getting paid according to a
contract that they've signed with the government. If no revenue was
generated from
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 14:57 -0400, Dorian A. Monroe, II wrote:
It's my opinion that the people that are against cameras have a
disregard for the lives of others.
Wow... that is quite the opinion then. I'm sorry you're so willing to
sell people short before even getting their side of things. I
Am 02. Apr, 2009 schwätzte Josef Lowder so:
On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.com wrote:
I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of
adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6
seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I
Don't forget that the current implementation of the speed cams are not
just still-frame cameras that snap a picture if you trigger them, they
are HD live-feed video cameras as well. If there were enough of them
spread about, your movements could easily be tracked by noting what time
you left
quoting, *There is no dollar amount that can be set for the value of a life.
*
That's an interesting topic. To save some one's life from, let say, traffic
collisions, costs $1,000,000, but we can save 10 burn victim's lives for
$100,000, then, not only can we put a price on human life, we can put
No offense but you are missing the most important point here.
I don't believe anyone is against enforcement of laws. But the fact
remains that cameras will not stop anyone from driving like a maniac.
Is a matter of fact the cameras appear (no study provided) to reduce
the law enforcement
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 12:58 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
On 4/2/09, Joshua A. Andler scis...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 10:55 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
There is no sensible basis for opposing photo radar speed limit
enforcement.
Give me a break... if the people don't want
On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Alan Dayley wrote:
Take it off list please.
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On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 12:54 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
clip, clip
There are many arguments for and against the speed cameras, like
the
right to face your accuser in court. If you've had your picture
taken
by one of these cameras, you were breaking a law.
So, you're telling me
Cool, where can I get a copy of this report?
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On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:24 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
On 4/1/09
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Subject: Re: OT: Speed Cams
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 09:24 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
Photo radar saves lives. Period.
So does driving responsibly... and, you know, paying attention.
According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of
photo radar
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I have to concur with the other critics of speed cameras. Any
: RE: OT: Speed Cams
Of course, if we outlawed cars entirely we would never have auto
accidents... And their would be no need to spend all that money on
understructure, of course our society based on specialization and cheep
transport would also collapse, but hey, they numbers look great
Opposition to photo radar is tantamount to advocating legalization of
murder and/or manslaughter in any form by any means.
Wow... that is probably the most absurd oversimplification I've seen on
this list so far. Murder and Manslaughter have very different definitions
and legal implications.
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Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I don't believe
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:
Please stop this thread. Yes, it is appropriately marked OT for
off-topic. Yes, many on this list enjoy law/politics/ethics/etc.
discussions. However, every time in recent history that we have had
an off topic thread
Bob Hope - You know you are getting old when the candles cost more than
the cake.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Charles Jones
charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote:
Just a note to my fellow phoenix drivers. Yesterday it was announced
that the federal government has allocated $275 million
I should have added an additional P.S. that I heard this on the radio,
and they specifically said it was NOT an april fools joke, but they
could have been duped, or just trying to make the joke more believable.
For our sake I hope so!
Charles Jones wrote:
Just a note to my fellow phoenix
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Charles Jones
charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote:
Just a note to my fellow phoenix drivers. Yesterday it was announced
that the federal government has allocated $275 million in stimulus money
for the purchase of 350 speed cameras to be put up in the Phoenix
Just a note to my fellow phoenix drivers. Yesterday it was announced
that the federal government has allocated $275 million in stimulus money
for the purchase of 350 speed cameras to be put up in the Phoenix area.
We all know about the speed cams on the 51 and such, but these are being
put on
This is part of an april fools joke that KTAR is doing this year. Last year
the april fools was turning the 101 and the 51 into toll roads. each costing
$1.01 and $0.51 respectivly. this is the link to their story
http://ktar.com/?nid=6sid=1112673. Usually it's either the next day or at
least
on this note I'd like to say that Miami florida is just now starting to feel
the joys of the red light cameras!
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Charles Jones
charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote:
Just a note to my fellow phoenix drivers. Yesterday it was announced
that the federal government
ktar announced about half an hour ago that the 350 speed cameras was an
april fools joke. http://ktar.com/?nid=6sid=1113496 . It was a good one and
at least I got a few laughs out of it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:17 AM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
on this note I'd like to say that Miami
01, 2009 11:17 AM
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on this note I'd like to say that Miami florida is just now starting to feel
the joys of the red light cameras!
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Charles Jones
charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote:
Just a note to my
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