FYI: Senate passed the FISA bill,
Kyl(R-AZ) votes YES,
and surprisingly,
McCain(R-AZ) is NOT VOTING.
http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00168
-jmz
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "let it happen" crowd [...]
as someone pointed out a long time ago
(I think it was during - or even before - 2002),
if you do a search on
LIHOP
you get a ton of hits - so much stuff
you could never read half of it . . .
Just "F Y I"
--
Mike Schwartz
Glendale AZ
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Ju
My weekend? IT WAS TERRIBLE! The government was watching me every
minute. What did I do? I played video games! Well I played one.
One from '84 called Elite. IT is a first person shoot-em-up game where
you are a space trader. you can be a pirate even. It is a very
cool game. If any of you r
OK, this has gone on so long, I can't resist putting in my two cents:
The so-called 9/11 Truth Movement has been infiltrated by the CIA, which
plants ridiculous ideas (controlled demolition of the towers, missiles
at the Pentagon) to discredit anyone who'd ask the most pertinent
question: did "t
this was a sad and unfortunate period in our history. also, it was a
time of much increased paranoia after the cuban missile crisis. People
then were paid to come up with ideas on how to "justifiably invade" a
nation like cuba. It is fortunate that cooler heads did prevail.
The idea that 9/11 was
I can see everyone had a fun filled and interesting weekend :)
Keith Smith
(520) 207-9877
PHP Programmer
--- On Mon, 6/30/08, Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Survelliance in America
To: "Main PLU
I'm sure if we wanted to, we could ask one or two people who were on
the 395 expressway that zips right by the Pentagon :)
Thanks,
Dan Lund
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Fritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, what I can't figure out is why the gov't just doesn't
> release the video footage a
Fritz wrote:
> So, what I can't figure out is why the gov't just doesn't
> release the video footage and show everyone that
> it was really a 757, not a cruise missile (as the conspiracy
> theorist claim), that crashed into the Pentagon and
> put an end to this nonsense?
>
I've wondered that mys
Charles Jones wrote:
> Fritz wrote:
>
>> Charles Jones wrote:
>>
>> Charles, would you care to comment on the following?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
>>
>> If this is really true, it's quite disturbing.
>>
Thanks for taking the time to formulate a reply.
It's my guess that ultimately no one wants to ever admit that a lot of
organizations within the government had their eyes closed at the same
time, causing a perfect storm. Again, a guess since I'm not even
going to start to say I know what happened since I wasn't a part of
any of it.
The way our p
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Mike Garfias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Charles Jones wrote:
>> I've encountered many people who say that 9/11 was executed by
>> everything from the NY Firefighters, to the secret service. I've
>> discovered that some people simply
Operation Northwoods was the only good thing McNamara did while
SecDef: He stopped it.
On Jun 29, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Fritz wrote:
> Charles Jones wrote:
>
> Charles, would you care to comment on the following?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
>
> If this is really tr
On Jun 29, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Charles Jones wrote:
> I've encountered many people who say that 9/11 was executed by
> everything from the NY Firefighters, to the secret service. I've
> discovered that some people simply prefer to believe in conspiracy.
> FYI I was living in DC at the time of
Fritz wrote:
> Charles Jones wrote:
>
> Charles, would you care to comment on the following?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
>
> If this is really true, it's quite disturbing.
> Is this just "made up" Internet gibberish?
>
> As James Bamford summarizes in his book "B
Charles Jones wrote:
Charles, would you care to comment on the following?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
If this is really true, it's quite disturbing.
Is this just "made up" Internet gibberish?
As James Bamford summarizes in his book "Body of Secrets"
ahhh from a thousand miles it looks so different, and when your face
first into it, it looks different also.
Suffice to say none of us know truth behind it all, and so the mind
invents something to fill the gap.
Thanks,
Dan Lund
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Charles Jones
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa Kachold wrote:
Who can even say what really happened on 9/11, the corruption is soo
deep and complete?
I've encountered many people who say that 9/11 was executed by
everything from the NY Firefighters, to the secret service. I've
discovered that some people simply prefer to believe in c
Everyone knows voting just adds to the problem.
*grins evilly and runs also*
Thanks,
Dan Lund
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I take it everybody is voting for Nader this year for *real change*?
>
> *runs out of room as arrows fly by*
>
-
So I take it everybody is voting for Nader this year for *real change*?
*runs out of room as arrows fly by*
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Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 6:05 PM
The greatest travesty in my opinion is that we have already worked
through the problems that Craig cites, that is why FISA was created in
the
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 21:57 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 21:26 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> > But the big issue for PLUG members, in FISA (and legislation of it's
> > type) is the new overly expensive required fiscal reporting for EBay
> > and others for "economic reasons"?
>
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 21:26 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> But the big issue for PLUG members, in FISA (and legislation of it's
> type) is the new overly expensive required fiscal reporting for EBay
> and others for "economic reasons"?
>
> Co-located Ecommerce will simply be moved out of country i
g White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Survelliance in America
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Main PLUG discussion list"
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 7:55 PM
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 18:09 -0700, keith smith wrote:
>
>
> How a
7.10 Mozilla/OpenOffice
--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Survelliance in America
To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 5:20 PM
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 15:58 -0700, Jason Spat
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 18:09 -0700, keith smith wrote:
>
>
> How about the internet is like your land line phone. The courts have
> held you have an expectation of privacy.
>
> I personally expect my emails not to be read and I do not want
> anything I do on ht web to be accessed unless they m
America will come to pass.
perhaps sooner than later.
-jmz
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith Smith
> (520) 207-9877
> PHP Programmer
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMA
wrote:
From: Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Survelliance in America
To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 5:05 PM
The greatest travesty in my opinion is that we have already worked
through the problems that Craig cites, that is why F
Smith
(520) 207-9877
PHP Programmer
--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: Survelliance in America
To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 3:58 PM
We shouldn'
The greatest travesty in my opinion is that we have already worked
through the problems that Craig cites, that is why FISA was created in
the first place! Allowing our intelligence agencies free and
unrestricted access to such information gives far too much privilege
to a small group.
The fact
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 15:58 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> We shouldn't be as worried about being monitored as we should be worried
> about admission of the monitored activities in a court of law.
>
> I think it should be fine to be monitored on the Internet, just like you
> shouldn't have a "re
We shouldn't be as worried about being monitored as we should be worried
about admission of the monitored activities in a court of law.
I think it should be fine to be monitored on the Internet, just like you
shouldn't have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" when walking down
the street. The I
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