Watch this and then tell me we do not have a problem brewing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freemarketcure.com%2Fbrainsurgery.php&feature=player_embedded
Keith Smith
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is this A flame war? I find it kind of educational. Now if each side would
just site some resources we would know who to believe. Neither of the sides
has done so. My opinion is that state health care will not work. Only from
what I've heard do people die in Canada and the UK waiting for treatment.
Craig White wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 19:16 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote:
>
>> Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/30/09, JD Austin wrote:
>>>
>>>
The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health
Anyone can see that Social Security is a ponzi scheme (it would be called
that if the Government wasn't running it).
It's not a fund we're paying into that goes into 'our account'.
The money we pay goes to pay people currently on Social Security.
Everything is great until there are more people coll
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 22:08 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
> The list seems to have become more political lately. I think your
> comments about dishonest people or something set this thread off. Not
> your fault, if I recall and I'm not worried about going back to find
> derail point.
I kept quie
Alan Dayley wrote:
> Mike,
>
> The list seems to have become more political lately. I think your
> comments about dishonest people or something set this thread off. Not
> your fault, if I recall and I'm not worried about going back to find
> derail point.
>
> Don't worry about it, personally. I
Alan Dayley wrote:
> I worry about it for the group when
> too much "non-Linux" and "non-group" talk goes on, we lose people.
See the latest post to the group by me. I think a discussion should take
place on this issue.
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Mike,
The list seems to have become more political lately. I think your
comments about dishonest people or something set this thread off. Not
your fault, if I recall and I'm not worried about going back to find
derail point.
Don't worry about it, personally. I worry about it for the group when
my announcement that I'm coming back to Phoenix turned into this? Alan, I
didn't have any idea the news I was returning would become so devisive..
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> At 02:35 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:
>
> One of the 2 former posts is typical "party diatribe"; you
a link.
>
> Things to consider/include:
>
> http://bit.ly/RlegU
>
>
>
>>
>> Keith Smith
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White wrote:
>>
>>> From: Craig White
>>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: guess wh
es. When
> i complete that site I will provide a link.
Things to consider/include:
http://bit.ly/RlegU
>
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White wrote:
>
>> From: Craig White
>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: guess what
&g
/2/09, Craig White wrote:
> From: Craig White
> Subject: Re: ****Re: ****Re: guess what
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 3:07 PM
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:26 -0700,
> keith smith wrote:
> > I think some of your references might
At 02:35 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:
One of the 2 former posts is typical "party diatribe"; you decide which!
The irony of no health care in our economy is that unless you
constantly replace people (who die, fail to make it in employment or
become homeless) [while also keeping the subset of "health
Fathers read this they would scream.
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Keith Smith
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>
>>> From: Lisa Kachold
>>> Subject: Re: Re: guess what
>>> To: "Main PL
the authority to ell some else they cannot
> smoke, drink, or eat cheese burgers.
>
> If our Founding Fathers read this they would scream.
>
>
>
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> From: Lisa Kachold
>>
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:46 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> Canada health care is not efficient.
au contraire...it is very efficient
Do you offer a source of information about this inefficiency?
You have a problem with statements that have no factual evidence to
support them.
Craig
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On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:26 -0700, keith smith wrote:
> I think some of your references might be less than accurate.
>
> From what I am hearing you would like Health Care run like Social Security
> and Medicare. Both are failing and bankrupt. And guess who runs them? The
> government.
pl
isa Kachold
> Subject: Re: ****Re: guess what
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:35 PM
> One of the 2 former posts is typical
> "party diatribe"; you decide which!
>
> The irony of no health care in our economy is that u
One of the 2 former posts is typical "party diatribe"; you decide which!
The irony of no health care in our economy is that unless you
constantly replace people (who die, fail to make it in employment or
become homeless) [while also keeping the subset of "healthy"
individuals completely separate]
09, Craig White wrote:
> From: Craig White
> Subject: Re: ****Re: guess what
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:15 PM
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 19:16 -0700,
> Vaughn Treude wrote:
> > Lisa Kachold wrote:
> > > On 7/3
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 19:16 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote:
> Lisa Kachold wrote:
> > On 7/30/09, JD Austin wrote:
> >
> >> The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
> >> Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health care they need. I
> >> think
> >> the whole
Lisa Kachold wrote:
> On 7/30/09, JD Austin wrote:
>
>> The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
>> Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health care they need. I think
>> the whole industry needs to be more competitive; most things in health care
>> shoul
The pay for performance must be a pharmacutical missive? But it
certainly doesn't consider the genetics and human lifestyle choices
(including the food additives, insecticides and housing/work health
hazards) of the last generation!
As long as humans are unable to advocate for their level of care
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Marco Savo wrote:
> This is off topic, but interesting, I'd like to add my view of not-american
> but (legal) immigrant.
> I'm Italian, our health system doesn't work so well as European standards
> because of Mafia, but, is much better than the private American o
This is off topic, but interesting, I'd like to add my view of not-american
but (legal) immigrant.
I'm Italian, our health system doesn't work so well as European standards
because of Mafia, but, is much better than the private American one and cost
the country half of the American one. For get ri
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, keith smith wrote:
>
> So we just let in rapists and those with tuberculosis?
Lok up the wimmen an chilun. The rapists is acomin.
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On 7/30/09, JD Austin wrote:
> The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
> Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health care they need. I think
> the whole industry needs to be more competitive; most things in health care
> shouldn't cost what they do.
>
Ineff
>>> are fighting for our freedom. So how can I respect someone that comes
>> to
>>>>> my country to be a parasite? They need to return to their own country
>> and
>>>>> build an economy, not leach of of ours.
>>>>>
>>>>&
>>> free.
>> >>>
>> >>> Very few people understand the sacrifices of our founding fathers.
>> >>> They
>> >>> gave their all so we could be free. Today many people through out the
>> >>> US
>> >>> are fighting
be free. Today many people through out the
> US
> >>> are fighting for our freedom. So how can I respect someone that comes
> to
> >>> my country to be a parasite? They need to return to their own country
> and
> >>> build an economy, not leach o
for our freedom. So how can I respect someone that comes to
>>> my country to be a parasite? They need to return to their own country and
>>> build an economy, not leach of of ours.
>>>
>>> Because I hold the law to be supreme I am called a racist. Call me what
&g
I hold the law to be supreme I am called a racist. Call me what
> >> you may. At the end of the day I am just an American who believes in
> our
> >> find country based on the rule of law and who is willing to stand up for
> >> freedom.
> >>
> >> -
Call me what
>> you may. At the end of the day I am just an American who believes in our
>> find country based on the rule of law and who is willing to stand up for
>> freedom.
>>
>>
>> Keith Smith
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/30/09,
Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:22 AM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: Re: guess what
>
> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 06:43 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
> >
> > I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :) It
> is a fact
> > that illegal im
get the whole story.
>
>
>
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White wrote:
>
>> From: Craig White
>> Subject: Re: Re: guess what
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > >
>> Date: Thursday, Ju
---
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White wrote:
>
>> From: Craig White
>> Subject: Re: Re: guess what
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:47 AM
>> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at
eith Smith
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White wrote:
> From: Craig White
> Subject: Re: ****Re: guess what
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:47 AM
> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 07:28 -0700,
> Eric Cope wrote:
> > This is the first
I didn't start this one!
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> Eric Cope wrote:
> > This is the first time I agree with Craig (for the most part).
> > Perhaps if immigration weren't illegal...
> >
>
> Immigration is legal. As long as you do it through the normal means and
> don't st
Eric Cope wrote:
> This is the first time I agree with Craig (for the most part).
> Perhaps if immigration weren't illegal...
>
Immigration is legal. As long as you do it through the normal means and
don't steal a real American's identity to do it.
Illegal immigration is just that, illegal.
Rya
m just an American who believes in our find
> country based on the rule of law and who is willing to stand up for freedom.
>
> ----------------
> Keith Smith
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White wrote:
>
>> From: Craig White
>> Subject: Re: Re:
:
> From: Eric Cope
> Subject: Re: ****Re: guess what
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:28 AM
> This is the first time I agree with
> Craig (for the most part).
> Perhaps if immigration weren't illegal...
>
> On Thu, Jul 3
It appears you are uninformed. We pay at all levels for the illegal aliens.
I've seen this first hand.
Keith Smith
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White wrote:
> From: Craig White
> Subject: Re: ****Re: guess what
> To: "Main PLUG discu
may. At the end of the day I am just an American who believes in our find
country based on the rule of law and who is willing to stand up for freedom.
Keith Smith
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Craig White wrote:
> From: Craig White
> Subject: Re: ****Re: guess what
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 06:43 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
>>
>> I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :)
>> It is a fact that illegal immigration is costing Az and Ca plenty and
>> pointing that out doesn't make him hate filled or raci
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 07:28 -0700, Eric Cope wrote:
> This is the first time I agree with Craig (for the most part).
> Perhaps if immigration weren't illegal...
immigration isn't illegal.
staying after your permission/visa expires isn't a crime.
none of this has anything to do with Linux.
Cra
At 07:16 AM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
There is only one job in politics
I am really sorry I 'spoke' up.let's talk Linux
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This is the first time I agree with Craig (for the most part).
Perhaps if immigration weren't illegal...
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 06:43 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
> >
> > I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :)
> > It is a fact tha
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 06:43 -0700, JD Austin wrote:
>
> I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :)
> It is a fact that illegal immigration is costing Az and Ca plenty and
> pointing that out doesn't make him hate filled or racist. I don't
> blame them for coming here... If I were th
There is only one job in politics and that is to keep your job. To
keep your job you need 2 things, money and votes. Money comes from
special interest groups so politicians must cater to them or they will
not be able to afford a campaign. Cutting social services that are
bleading the various levels
The 'other' model isn't working any better. My wife works in an Urgent
Care; tons of Canadians come here to get the health care they need. I think
the whole industry needs to be more competitive; most things in health care
shouldn't cost what they do.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Lisa Kacho
Well, that is the American model?
1) Limited, inefficient and horrendously expensive health care (where
are the majority of my high school peers? dead) which exists as part
of the "insurance industry" (rather than the scientific and health
industries [which are non-existent!]
2) Feeding frenzy of
I was waiting to see how long until racism was called :)
It is a fact that illegal immigration is costing Az and Ca plenty and
pointing that out doesn't make him hate filled or racist. I don't blame
them for coming here... If I were them I'd do it too. We need to remove the
'free' incentives that
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 22:33 -0700, Lyle Tuttle wrote:
> Perhaps you are looking at the wrong source.we now have a $3
> Billion deficit.check out these numbers in bold blue.
every state has a major deficit as they clearly were unprepared for such
a drastic change in the economy.
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