http://catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#skills1
That's ESR's page. It's a good read and goes over a lot of what you guys are
talking about. I'm following his advice. Currently learning as much python
as I can. I also dabble in Java and C, but my main focus is on Python. It
allows me to focus on
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Jerry Davis wrote:
> BTW, can someone tell me why this happens?
>
> $ perl -e 'print "hello world\n"'
> hello world
>
> $ python -c 'print "hello world"'
> hello world
>
> notice that I DID NOT have to put the \n at then end of the python print
> statement? is it
So, after reading the whole thread I figured I would chime in just because
I have programmed in most of the mentioned languages so I think I can add
some perspective on the subject.
The trick to becoming a great programmer is to understand programming itself
and not just a specific language. So s
Dennis,
I am going to be starting classes in the fall, so I have been doing
research on this subject. I am anti-Microsoft and pro-Linux/open
source. The languages I want to learn are listed below in the order I
plan on learning them.
Latex: a markup language (it is simple to learn and useful)
B
He said business applications, not device drivers. LOL
_
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Cope
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Subject: Re: Best first
I can't believe no one has mentioned assembly!
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Bob Elzer wrote:
> For business apps, I suggest COBOL, COmmon Business-Oriented Language. Oh
> wait, we're not in the 80's anymore.
>
> I learned PERL for the O'Reilly book Programming Perl, also known as the
> Camel
For business apps, I suggest COBOL, COmmon Business-Oriented Language. Oh
wait, we're not in the 80's anymore.
I learned PERL for the O'Reilly book Programming Perl, also known as the
Camel book because of the picture of the camel on the cover. O'Reilly has
many books on Perl and all are helpful.
I'd start with Java.
* Starting with C teaches too many bad habits. I've spent more time with C
programmers breaking bad habits than any other strongly-typed language.
* Starting with C++ is like starting with C, except there is 100 times more to
learn before you're productive, and 10 times mor
I agree with Kieth.
It has been at least 10 years since I wrote any code. I learned using
Pascal and C and then moved to C++ and Java. I think C, Pascal, or Ada will
all teach the programming skills needed before moving forward to OO
languages. C to me seems the most relavent.
Gilbert
> I
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Subject: Re: Best first programming language
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On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:
>
just from my experience the bigger languages for business apps are
Visual Basic
PHP
Java
c/c++
ASP
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take
On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:
> I really like ruby as well but my experience has been if he's planning
> on pursuing some type of CS degree he'll definitely need to know java
> and C++ for 90% of the programming related classes, so that might be a
> better place to start.
Her
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a summer
> course in programming. His goal is to become a business applications
> programmer.
>
> He
.
Keith Smith
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Gerald Thurman wrote:
> From: Gerald Thurman
> Subject: Re: Best first programming language
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list"
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 6:36 AM
> Learn to use a Unix system at the
> command-line along with a t
I really like ruby as well but my experience has been if he's planning
on pursuing some type of CS degree he'll definitely need to know java
and C++ for 90% of the programming related classes, so that might be a
better place to start.
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 08:21 -0700, Chris Gehlker wrote:
> On Ma
On May 19, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about
> this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a
> summer course in programming. His goal is to become a business
> applications programmer.
>
>
At the risk of starting a flame war I would say the best is C#. If you look
at both Tech Republic and CIO Magazine both have had articles in the last
four or five months that listed .Net in the top ten skill sets for the
current economy. Also as our office has been in the shutdown mode since
Novemb
The Python print function automatically appends a newline at the end
of the string you tell it to print (this can be overridden).
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On May 19, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Davis wrote:
> BTW, can
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Dennis Kibbe wrote:
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to
> take a summer course in programming. His goal is to become a
> business applications programmer.
>
> He asked me what language he should start with. I'd gues
BTW, can someone tell me why this happens?
$ perl -e 'print "hello world\n"'
hello world
$ python -c 'print "hello world"'
hello world
notice that I DID NOT have to put the \n at then end of the python print
statement? is it something to do with the -c (i.e. smart enough to know it is a
cmd line
On Tue, 19 May 2009 06:36:01 -0700
Gerald Thurman wrote:
> Learn to use a Unix system at the command-line along with a text editor and
> start writing BASH program. The command-line provides exposure to the Unix
> philosophy, files/directories, options/arguments, variables (environment),
> I/O,
Learn to use a Unix system at the command-line along with a text editor and
start writing BASH program. The command-line provides exposure to the Unix
philosophy, files/directories, options/arguments, variables (environment),
I/O, meta-characters and documentation (via manpages). First programs a
Even though I am not knowledgeable in the language, I think the best
first language for business is Java. It is also good for a first
leaning experience for other reasons but it is popular in the business
application world.
For web applications, "in the cloud," Ruby seems to be a more and more
po
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