Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT?Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread mike havens
to determine, since it suddenly starts showing AIM ports open. Once they > target you successfully, they will insidiously continue to keep track of > you; rather like trophy hunting. > > >>> I could have done a complete defcon presentation on various routers > by > this time. > > >>> Th

RE: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT?Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread Bob Elzer
na" Harris Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:01 AM To: "plu>"@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT?Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers Excerpts from Charles Jone

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread Andrew "Tuna" Harris
gt; >>> I could have done a complete defcon presentation on various routers by > >>> this time. > >>> That's why I always suggest to everyone, if you see something strange, > >>> you see something strange, report it, complain, study it, rathe

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
Agree too... Man, I hate intelligent people, they make me look sooo dumb!:) Very valid point. ET Craig White writes: > I'm gonna ignore most of the implications of this and just say one thing > that you're apparently not considering... > > Once you implement a methodology, you then bec

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread Craig White
I'm gonna ignore most of the implications of this and just say one thing that you're apparently not considering... Once you implement a methodology, you then become committed to maintaining the implementation and ip address ranges change, people go to China for visiting, other people might have to

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread Charles Jones
ething strange, you see something strange, report it, complain, study it, rather than continuing to agree with everyone in denial about the sad state of security. Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM Subject: Re: OT? Linux-based

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
Agree... But for as long as my people doesn't have friends in Asia, I may as well block them all... :) Enrique Craig White writes: > On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 08:30 -0400, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: >> And how do I: >> "starting by iptable deny all of china" ? >> >> I can figure out th

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 08:30 -0400, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: > And how do I: > "starting by iptable deny all of china" ? > > I can figure out the "iptable" part, it is the "china" part (and other > possible places where I know I will only get spam from) that I am unaware > of... I do

Re: starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread Andrew "Tuna" Harris
continuing to agree with everyone in denial about the sad state of security. > > Obnosis | (503)754-4452 > > > > > > > > > > PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM > > > > > > > > > > > > &

starting by iptable deny all of china is a good start. - Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-30 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
dy it, rather than continuing > to agree with everyone in denial about the sad state of security. > Obnosis | (503)754-4452 > > > > > PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: OT? Linux-based t

RE: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-28 Thread Lisa Kachold
| (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:13:32 -0700 > From: technomage.ha...@gmail.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based > r

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-28 Thread Technomage
Lisa Kachold wrote: > Well, the sad fact is that _any_ machine will kick over and barf it's guts > under distributed attacks; it just depends on what it does after the green > slime clears.. > Also, it really helps if you run one that won't take WRT, or only runs on an > arm, with small memory t

RE: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Lisa Kachold
tate of security. Obnosis | (503)754-4452 PLUG Linux Security Labs 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM > Subject: Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based > routers > From: t...@supertunaman.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: Fri,

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Andrew "Tuna" Harris
Excerpts from Charles Jones's message of Fri Mar 27 14:19:05 -0700 2009: > http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/psyb0t_attacks_linux_routers_update > > Some parts of this article made me LOL. Like: > > "One type of malware connects primarily to a chat system such as IRC, > which your ordina

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Charles Jones
Log in and run ps and look for rogue processes I guess. Or put a sniffer upstream of it. Both are things that the casual "hay I got a kewl router from bestbuy" user is never going to do. Maybe there is a market for adding router pen-testing modules to AV software :-) Although, at least 3 diffe

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Stephen
maybe... would be an interesting way to snoop on us as a culture... On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Charles Jones > wrote: >> >> "A participant joining a channel who is not a human is usually a program >> called a bot. > > [snip] > > The ot

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Stephen
although you would thing that they would shut these options down by default in anything that is supposed to be used as a security device... only open when enabled... heck most base Linux distros are built on that. On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Stephen wrote: > And once agian why Password secu

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Stephen
And once agian why Password security and closeing unused ports is your first line in defense against getting Pwned "Attack vectors are primarily TELNET or SSH that listen on the device's WAN interface, accepting weak passwords (such as admin)." --- P

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Charles Jones < charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org> wrote: > "A participant joining a channel who is not a human is usually a program > called a bot. > [snip] The others are...? Is IRC accessible to aliens? -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmO

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Andrew "Tuna" Harris
Interesting... How could one detect a trojan through, say, dd-wrt? Excerpts from Charles Jones's message of Fri Mar 27 14:19:05 -0700 2009: > http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/psyb0t_attacks_linux_routers_update > > Some parts of this article made me LOL. Like: > > "One type of malware c

Re: OT? Linux-based trojans now targeting WRT and other linux-based routers

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Dean
On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Charles Jones wrote: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/psyb0t_attacks_linux_routers_update Find the comment titled "It is a Cyber War a war between Linux and Windows !!??". ROFL! "A lot of people believe that Linux OS and Linux NT is more secure tha