Re: OT: ipad questions

2011-12-31 Thread joe
Stephen wrote: > well a simple search for ipad users group yielded about 502 mil hits > the first page was actually quite interesting. i would start there. Thanks Stephen. > I personally despise apple's business practices, and stance on open vs > closed platforms. I totally agree. Just found a

Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Butash
I have kind of an off-brand newegg special dvi kvm, and it literally has dvi ports on it - not sure why yours isn't other than you got taken. So dvi can do backward compatibility with vga supplying it on separate pins, but you cannot use these on my dvi kvm - it doesn't have the pins or holes.

Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Mark Jarvis
My monitor has a 15 pin VGA port, as does the old computer so it looks like an adapter to connect my DVI cable from the new box to the KVM switch will make it work. Of course that brings up the question of what am I losing by not using DVI? A quick Google check (which I should have done earl

Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Michael Butash
It's essentially analog vs. digital - more bandwidth, less interference, no error detection/correction, etc. Probably not an issue still if you're using *good* cables, but you just want to make sure no emi source near will cause picture issues - not/shouldn't be an issue with dvi. Quick googl

Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Stephen
The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it would be more than 5 bux. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis wrote: > > I just ordered & received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought

Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Eric Shubert
monoprice.com is the best source I've found for this sort of thing. http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419 Prices are usually least expensive (have always been for me up to now), even including shipping. Quality has been good with everything I've bought there.

Re: OT: spam fax

2007-07-05 Thread Tuna
Nice... But this really should have an OT on it... On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 19:34 -0700, Michael Havens wrote: > I was sitting at my computer lookig at por. e. minding my own > businesswhen suddenly my cell phone rang. > "Hello?" I asked; to which the response was "". > I hung up and ab

Re: OT: spam fax

2007-07-05 Thread Michael Havens
On Thursday 05 July 2007 7:58 pm, Tuna wrote: > Nice... But this really should have an OT on it... > Thanks for watching out for me. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your ma

Re: OT Windows Vista

2007-07-16 Thread Dan Lund
Okay, I'll go out on a limb here. I don't get it :) Jim wrote: > Good for a laugh. > > http://ladmo.azanorak.com/microsoftvista.jpg > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change yo

Re: OT Windows Vista

2007-07-16 Thread Dazed_75
uuum, misplaced parts that don't fit and don't do the job. Just a guess though :) On 7/16/07, Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, I'll go out on a limb here. I don't get it :) Jim wrote: > Good for a laugh. > > http://ladmo.azanorak.com/microsoftvista.jpg >

RE: OT Windows Vista

2007-07-16 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Slapping a shinny modern front haphazardly on an old core of aged and dilapidated code would be my guess. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dazed_75 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:23 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT

Re: OT Windows Vista

2007-07-16 Thread David Bendit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > Slapping a shinny modern front haphazardly on an old core of aged > and dilapidated code would be my guess. That would have been better off than what Microsoft ended up with. Remember the Longhor

Re: OT Windows Vista

2007-07-16 Thread Dazed_75
On 7/16/07, David Bendit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That would have been better off than what Microsoft ended up with. Remember the Longhorn betas before they did the code dump? It was pretty awesome. What we have now is New! and Rebuilt From The Ground Up! Probably not the best idea I dunno

Re: OT - Housing Liquidation

2007-08-06 Thread Joshua Zeidner
Wow, the real estate bust is really here. I'd say these houses are worth about half of what they're being advertised for here. jmz On 8/6/07, Bryan O'Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If any one is interested in purchasing a home in the Casa Grande area we > > are offering some insane d

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Dan Lund
Try going for your CISSP, that'd definitely get your foot in the door a little bit. Ray Cantwell wrote: > Hello, > Sorry to post here but, i know that a few of you out there are currently > working in the field of security. I was wondering if any of you have any > advise for someone trying to b

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Randy Melder
Am I the only one that finds this statement humorous? "i know that a few of you out there are currently working in the field of security. I was wondering if any of you have any advise for someone trying to break in..." ; ) --- PLUG-discuss mailing l

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 03:00:59PM -0700, Randy Melder wrote: > Am I the only one that finds this statement humorous? > > "i know that a few of you out there are currently > working in the field of security. I was wondering if any of you have any > advise for someone trying to break in..." Ha ha!

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Ray Cantwell
Darrin Chandler wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 03:00:59PM -0700, Randy Melder wrote: > >> Am I the only one that finds this statement humorous? >> >> "i know that a few of you out there are currently >> working in the field of security. I was wondering if any of you have any >> advise for some

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Mike Garfias
I think it really depends on what you want to do. Simple scanning of client systems looking for vulns? Or do you want to be someone giving talks at Defcon? Do you want to do QA or dev on security software? All have different paths. Before I can give you more advice I need to know more. On

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Ray Cantwell
I think i am leaning more toward the pen-test, network security side of the fence. Mike Garfias wrote: > I think it really depends on what you want to do. > > Simple scanning of client systems looking for vulns? Or do you want > to be someone giving talks at Defcon? Do you want to do QA or d

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread der.hans
Am 28. Aug, 2007 schw�tzte Ray Cantwell so: I think i am leaning more toward the pen-test, network security side of the fence. I think Phil over at MCC is working with student groups on this type of thing. I noticed at an InstallFest that UAT has a capture the flag student group. I believe th

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Mike Garfias
Then start hitting the the various bugtracking lists, the IRC channels discussing these sorts of things. Become good at finding minimal-day exploits and figuring out how to use them. Learn to use nessus, nmap, metasploit, etc. Read the RFCs for the major protocols. Buy a copy of TCP/IP

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-28 Thread Ray Cantwell
Mike, thank you very much, that was very in depth and gave me a very good jumping off point. I will take your advise to heart. Mike Garfias wrote: > Then start hitting the the various bugtracking lists, the IRC > channels discussing these sorts of things. Become good at finding > minimal-day

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-29 Thread Mike Garfias
_Hacking: the Art of Exploitation_ By Jon Erickson Just had that book recommended to me by a friend in the business (out in San Francisco). His advice was to: read read read read and then read some more. On Aug 28, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Ray Cantwell wrote: > Mike, > thank you very much, that wa

Re: OT: Security Begginer

2007-08-29 Thread Ray Cantwell
Noted and will be ordered, again i really do appreciate the advice, and tell your friend i said thank you. Ray Mike Garfias wrote: > _Hacking: the Art of Exploitation_ > By Jon Erickson > > Just had that book recommended to me by a friend in the business (out > in San Francisco). > > His advi

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Lund
A simple credit check through all three credit beurau will take care of that. Should do that once a year to make sure your not being shafted somehow. You can get a complimentary credit check once a year from all three. Theres a website dedicated to that but I'm mobile right now or I'd look it up.

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-02 Thread Michael Havens
I know about credit reports but I want to know what accounts are out there. Like if someone bought a house or a car and is making the payments so I wouldn't know about it. Or perhaps they opened a credit card account or something like that. On Sunday 02 September 2007 8:48 pm, Dan Lund wrote: >

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-02 Thread Mike Garfias
the credit report shows all open accounts on your SSN On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Michael Havens wrote: > I know about credit reports but I want to know what accounts are > out there. > Like if someone bought a house or a car and is making the payments > so I > wouldn't know about it. Or perh

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-02 Thread Michael Havens
hmm. I didn't see that. must be that I wasn't looking for it. On Sunday 02 September 2007 9:01 pm, Mike Garfias wrote: > the credit report shows all open accounts on your SSN > > On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Michael Havens wrote: > > I know about credit reports but I want to know what accou

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-02 Thread David Munson
If you do your free yearly pull of credit reports from all three bureaus, anything opened using your social security number will show up. If you don't see any surprises there, you're fine. If you do, you should track down the company that the account is through. If it's not something you opened, co

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-02 Thread Dan Lund
Thatd be on there. -Original Message- From: "Michael Havens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Sent: 09/02/07 08:52 PM Subject: Re: OT~ Credit accounts I know about credit reports but I want to know what accounts are out there. Like if s

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread George Toft
I read that 1/3 of all credit files have errors. I've been tracking my credit report since the early 90's, and have found errors every time I get a report. Fortunately, they are always not my accounts, and the accounts were current. Over a 30% error rate, and we base the stability of our coun

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread David Munson
That is one of the more disturbing things I've read. On 9/3/07, George Toft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read that 1/3 of all credit files have errors. I've been tracking my > credit report since the early 90's, and have found errors every time I > get a report. Fortunately, they are always no

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread keith smith
I would make a report to the local police first. David Munson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you do your free yearly pull of credit reports from all three bureaus, anything opened using your social security number will show up. If you don't see any surprises there, you're fine. If you do, yo

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread keith smith
The credit reporting agencies have no- accountability. If they were fined for every error I'll be they would figure out how to get it right. I would like to see them offer to put my Divers License picture on my account with a requirement that anyone opening an account verify they looked at my

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread Dan Lund
n PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT~ Credit accounts I would make a report to the local police first. David Munson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you do your free yearly pull of credit reports from all three bureaus, anything opened using your social security number will show up. If y

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread Dan Lund
: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT~ Credit accounts The credit reporting agencies have no- accountability. If they were fined for every error I'll be they would figure out how to get it right. I would like to see them offer to put my Divers License picture on my account wi

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread keith smith
police would point you to the fbi or one od thbe identity theft divisions of the govt since its not domestic abuse or a traffic citation. -Original Message- From: keith smith Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT~

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread keith smith
it, a new account cannot be created before contacting you by telephone. Its a Ird party service that's sold as identity assuredness. -Original Message- From: keith smith Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:42 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT~ Credit accounts

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread Jon M. Hanson
d before contacting you by telephone. Its a Ird party > service that's sold as identity assuredness. > > > -Original Message- > From: keith smith > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:42 AM > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: OT

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread keith smith
be created before contacting you by telephone. Its a Ird party service that's sold as identity assuredness. -Original Message- From: keith smith Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 11:42 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT~ Credit accounts The cre

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread Shawn Badger
JMHO, but it sounds like the a good error rate for the government! :) On 9/3/07, George Toft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I read that 1/3 of all credit files have errors. I've been tracking my > credit report since the early 90's, and have found errors every time I > get a report. Fortunately,

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-03 Thread Jon M. Hanson
The government has nothing to do with credit reports. Shawn Badger wrote: > JMHO, but it sounds like the a good error rate for the government! > :) > > On 9/3/07, *George Toft* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > I read that 1/3 of all credit files have errors. I've be

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-05 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Has any one mentioned services like Life Lock yet? http://www.lifelock.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of keith smith Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 12:05 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT~ Credit accounts

RE: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-05 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > Has any one mentioned services like Life Lock yet? > > http://www.lifelock.com/ There have been articles in various newspapers showing this is the next thing to a scam. They charge and do no more than you can do yourself for free. By the way, don't p

Re: OT~ Credit accounts....

2007-09-05 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 05 September 2007 15:50, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > Has any one mentioned services like Life Lock yet? > > http://www.lifelock.com/ > > lifelock is, at best, a temporary solution. Also, there are some questions about the companies business model and there are other questions with regard to

Re: OT: Weird Behaviour

2007-09-19 Thread Ray Cantwell
Ray Cantwell wrote: > I know this is WAY OT but, i am just dumbfounded, i have a thinkpad T30 > that was working like a charm when i started noticing issues with the > power being bouncy on it (battery charging light coming on when fully > charged) now i have noticed that when in have it plugged

Re: OT: Weird Behaviour

2007-09-19 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 19 September 2007 19:49, Ray Cantwell wrote: > I know this is WAY OT but, i am just dumbfounded, i have a thinkpad T30 > that was working like a charm when i started noticing issues with the > power being bouncy on it (battery charging light coming on when fully > charged) now i have n

Re: OT: Weird Behaviour

2007-09-19 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 20:06 -0700, Ray Cantwell wrote: > Ray Cantwell wrote: > > I know this is WAY OT but, i am just dumbfounded, i have a thinkpad T30 > > that was working like a charm when i started noticing issues with the > > power being bouncy on it (battery charging light coming on when fu

Re: OT: Weird Behaviour

2007-09-19 Thread Alan Dayley
Craig White wrote: > of course the real fix for this is to put it into an old grocery bag > along with at least 3 chicken feathers and seal it shut. Attach a 10 > foot rope to the bag, take it out on the front yard, swing it around and > around over your head while chanting 'Om' and it should take

Re: OT: OpenOffice Templates

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Gould
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 22:45 -0700, Nathan Aubrey wrote: > I'm looking to write a letter to send out to family for the holidays. I know > in MS Office there are all kinds of templates and clip art to choose from, > but OO.o is sorely lacking, atleast I can't find anything. > > Do any of you know

Re: OT: OpenOffice Templates

2007-11-19 Thread Tuna
Nathan Aubrey wrote: I'm looking to write a letter to send out to family for the holidays. I know in MS Office there are all kinds of templates and clip art to choose from, but OO.o is sorely lacking, atleast I can't find anything. Do any of you know a place to find free templates with a holid

Re: OT: OpenOffice Templates

2007-11-19 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Ted Gould wrote: > We started OpenClipart.org just so that MS wouldn't have the clipart > advantage ;) > > http://openclipart.org/media/tags/holiday On Saturday, my wife used that (tag was "christmas"). It was a slow process, because the tags page doesn't show any images, s

Re: OT: OpenOffice Templates

2007-11-20 Thread Tuna
There are packages available for Debian based distros that'll load them into the OOo clipart browser -- though I'm unsure of how that works. It pretty much makes a place in your /usr/share. The advantage is that they're not an any sort of proprietary format--just PNG and SVG, so if you want

Re: OT: OpenOffice Templates

2007-11-20 Thread Ted Gould
On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 01:21 -0600, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Saturday, my wife used that (tag was "christmas"). It was a slow > process, because the tags page doesn't show any images, so she had to > click one at a time. Only a small percentage of those had thumbnails, so > also had to click on

Re: OT: SAS drives

2008-01-17 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:31:08PM -0700, Jason Hayes wrote: > Quick question for the group. > > I have a friend that is trying to set up an IBM blade server and is looking > for SAS drives. > > The IBM drives are around $600-ish and HP drives are $3-400. So he is > wondering if the bladecenter

Re: OT: SAS drives

2008-01-18 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 07:33:05AM -0700, Shawn Badger wrote: > I can't answer this question specifically, I can say that in my past > experience the only thing different on the server drives has been the > carriers to insert them into the chassis. > > Yes, there are the different spindle speeds a

Re: OT: SAS drives

2008-01-18 Thread Shawn Badger
I can't answer this question specifically, I can say that in my past experience the only thing different on the server drives has been the carriers to insert them into the chassis. Yes, there are the different spindle speeds and life expectancies, but as long as you stick with a brands like Seagat

RE: OT: SAS drives

2008-01-18 Thread Bryan O'Neal
D] On Behalf Of Shawn Badger Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:33 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: SAS drives I can't answer this question specifically, I can say that in my past experience the only thing different on the server drives has been the carriers to insert the

Re: [OT] Network wiring

2008-02-02 Thread Ben Francom
> Anybody on the list do office wiring in Central Phoenix area. I have a > client that got what I believe to be an overpriced quote ($135 per Cat 6 > drop). > Most places I've contacted over the past few years in the Southwest (CA, AZ, TX) charged around $100/drop. Most of these quotes were Cat5e

Re: OT: e-Waste

2008-02-09 Thread Tuna
Bryan O'Neal wrote: > This is a really interesting revelation about our "Recycled" > electronics. Here is the You Tube video > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXzsqTFwV3Q&eurl=http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/overheard/overheard-your-old-computer-may-be-in-guiya-china/?track=NL-37&ad >

Re: OT: e-Waste

2008-02-09 Thread Harold
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 15:47 -0700, Tuna wrote: > Bryan O'Neal wrote: > > This is a really interesting revelation about our "Recycled" > > electronics. Here is the You Tube video > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXzsqTFwV3Q&eurl=http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/overheard/overheard-your

Re: OT: e-Waste

2008-02-09 Thread Tuna
Harold wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 15:47 -0700, Tuna wrote: >> Bryan O'Neal wrote: >>> This is a really interesting revelation about our "Recycled" >>> electronics. Here is the You Tube video >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXzsqTFwV3Q&eurl=http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/overhear

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread Charles Jones
jordi laforge wrote: > I've got a Sun 420R taking up too much space in my garage. It's gotta > go. Buy, trade or try to beat me up and steal it from me. > > If anyone is interested shoot me an email "off-list". Depending on how old it is, it *may* be eligible for a "trade-in" with Sun. Back whe

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread Stephen P Rufle
... or try to beat me up and steal it from me. we would need a pic before choosing what route to take. I do not want to get there and find out you look like this guy :) http://dpawsey.tripod.com/scarymofo.jpg jordi laforge wrote: > I've got a Sun 420R taking up too much space in my garage. It's

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread Judd Pickell
Man it sucks to live so far from Phoenix.. I would love to have a second 420R to compliment my current one.. but.. alas.. 2 hour drive would be difficult.. :) On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:25 PM, jordi laforge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a Sun 420R taking up too much space in my garage. It's

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread jordi laforge
Where do you live? Maybe I could meet you half way or maybe the next time I'm passing through. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man it sucks to live so far from Phoenix.. I would love to have a > second 420R to compliment my current one.. but.. alas..

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Aubrey
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 13:25:43 jordi laforge wrote: > I've got a Sun 420R taking up too much space in my garage. It's gotta go. > Buy, trade or try to beat me up and steal it from me. > > If anyone is interested shoot me an email "off-list". Kind of funny that you say try to beat me up an

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread Judd Pickell
I live in Marana.. :) But I do go back and forth to pheonix every other weekend. However it is only to Arizona Ave and Riggs Rd.. Although I could go further if we weren't so close to expecting a baby.. (Due in a couple of weeks.).. How quickly do you need to get rid of it? On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread Technomage-hawke
On Wednesday 27 February 2008, Judd Pickell wrote: > Man it sucks to live so far from Phoenix.. I would love to have a > second 420R to compliment my current one.. but.. alas.. 2 hour drive > would be difficult.. :) > 2 hours drive? hell, thats just from one end of town to the other these days. it

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread jordi laforge
I look more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png Plus, I have a "Cloak of invisibility" and a scabbard so I figure I have the upper hand against most. In actuality... my scabbard is a dull pocket knife and if anyone so much as lifted a fist I'd probably

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-27 Thread tjones
I'm probably way late to the party, but if it isn't spoken for I can take it off your hands. Quoting jordi laforge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've got a Sun 420R taking up too much space in my garage. It's gotta go. > Buy, trade or try to beat me up and steal it from me. > > If anyone is intereste

Re: OT: sun 420r

2008-02-28 Thread Judd Pickell
For simplisities sake I would probably let tjones take it off your hands. I already have one 420R, and just want a second one to play with. If anyone else decides to get rid of a 420R please let me know.. Thanks.. :) On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:15 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm probably way l

Re: OT: New Baby!

2008-03-02 Thread tjones
Congratulations! Sorry to hear about your impending loss of sleep. Quoting Nathan Aubrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Well, it may be totally off-topic, but I don't care! > My wife had our 4th baby girl on February 29th and everyone is doing good and > > healthy! I Praise the Lord for that! > > I

Re: OT: New Baby!

2008-03-02 Thread keith smith
Congratulations! Nathan Aubrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, it may be totally off-topic, but I don't care! My wife had our 4th baby girl on February 29th and everyone is doing good and healthy! I Praise the Lord for that! It may be off-topic, but considering the date of birth, I thought it

Re: OT: New Baby!

2008-03-02 Thread keith smith
LOL... Yeah. My son did not sleep all night until he was 3 years old. He is now 23 and I'm still tired! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations! Sorry to hear about your impending loss of sleep. Quoting Nathan Aubrey : > > Well, it may be totally off-topic, but I don't care! > My wife ha

Re: OT: New Baby!

2008-03-02 Thread Michael Havens
Wonderful:!) On Sunday 02 March 2008 6:34 am, Nathan Aubrey wrote: > Well, it may be totally off-topic, but I don't care! > My wife had our 4th baby girl on February 29th and everyone is doing good > and healthy! I Praise the Lord for that! > > It may be off-topic, but considering the date of birt

Re: OT: New Baby!

2008-03-02 Thread storkus
Congratulations! And considering article in the paper about the leap day babies, I guess it is pretty important! You should make sure you keep a copy of it and show her when she's old enough to read, assuming they don't run it again in 4 years! :) Mike On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 03:30:47 +, "Michae

Re: ot- cool picture

2008-04-16 Thread Joshua Zeidner
check this out: http://tinyurl.com there's a cool firefox extension too. -jmz On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Michael Havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=ig323_hubble_Pluto_02.jpg&cap=NASA%27s%20Hubble%20Space%20Telescope%

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Matt Graham
After a long battle with technology, Vaughn Treude wrote: > The goal: As high-performance as possible for $2000 or less. In particular, > I want to be able to boot as fast as possible. "Boot"? Ever since I got a laptop that could suspend-to-RAM reliably, rebooting was a pretty rare event. Resum

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Jason Spatafore
While the Lenovo is cheaper, I would advise against any IBM style laptop based on the x6x model. We have had several issues with these at work with failing hard drives and wireless connections just dropping out. (Lenovo took over the IBM desktop and laptop lines a couple years ago). As for the MA

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Cat Chapman
I'm using a system76 laptop to post this. They make Linux lappies, and so far I've had nothing but great things with this machine. Check them out at http://system76.com On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 13:30 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote: > While the Lenovo is cheaper, I would advise against any IBM style lap

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Ted Gould
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 13:05 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote: > The goal: > As high-performance as possible for $2000 or less. In particular, I want > to be able to boot as fast as possible. (I will of course install Linux > and tweak it to start only the most essential services.) +1 on the suspend co

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Jason Spatafore wrote: > While the Lenovo is cheaper, I would advise against any IBM style laptop > based on the x6x model. We have had several issues with these at work > with failing hard drives and wireless connections just dropping out. > (Lenovo took over the IBM desktop and laptop lines a cou

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Matt Graham wrote: > After a long battle with technology, Vaughn Treude wrote: >> The goal: As high-performance as possible for $2000 or less. In particular, >> I want to be able to boot as fast as possible. > > "Boot"? Ever since I got a laptop that could suspend-to-RAM reliably, > rebooting wa

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Cat Chapman wrote: > I'm using a system76 laptop to post this. They make Linux lappies, and > so far I've had nothing but great things with this machine. > Check them out at http://system76.com > Interesting. Their specs look good. They're about $200 more expensive for an equivalent system, but

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Jon M. Hanson
Vaughn Treude wrote: Matt Graham wrote: After a long battle with technology, Vaughn Treude wrote: The goal: As high-performance as possible for $2000 or less. In particular, I want to be able to boot as fast as possible. "Boot"? Ever since I got a laptop that could suspend-to-RA

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Ted Gould wrote: > On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 13:05 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote: >> The goal: >> As high-performance as possible for $2000 or less. In particular, I want >> to be able to boot as fast as possible. (I will of course install Linux >> and tweak it to start only the most essential services.

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Jon M. Hanson wrote: > Vaughn Treude wrote: >> Matt Graham wrote: >> >>> After a long battle with technology, Vaughn Treude wrote: >>> The goal: As high-performance as possible for $2000 or less. In particular, I want to be able to boot as fast as possible. >>> "Boot"?

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Matt Graham
After a long battle with technology, Vaughn Treude wrote: > Jon M. Hanson wrote: [much snippage] >> Apple does have refurbrished models but they go pretty quickly >> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID? >> sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&mco=MTE3NjY&nclm=CertifiedMac. > T

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Kurt Granroth
Vaughn Treude wrote: The finalists: Dell Inspiron 1520 - with all the options I want it's around $1500. (But one of the reviewers claimed its physical construction was flimsy.) Toshiba Tecra A9 - also around $1500 with options. Lenovo ThinkPad R61 - the fully-loaded version is on sale for aroun

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Kurt Granroth
Vaughn Treude wrote: It's been ages since I've played with virtualization. At the time, there was a very painful performance hit. I agree, it would be the way to go if you were running, for example, MS Office or Visio or QuickBooks or something like that. My major concern now is, will Visual St

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Wayne Davis
Dell's Latitude series are the proven workhorses of their lineup. When you buy one, buy it as a SMALL BUSINESS CUSTOMER and GET the complete care and next biz day service. With complete care, if you "accidentally" leave it on your car roof and the drive over it, they WILL replace it (provided yo

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Kurt Granroth wrote: > Vaughn Treude wrote: >> The finalists: >> Dell Inspiron 1520 - with all the options I want it's around $1500. >> (But one of the reviewers claimed its physical construction was flimsy.) >> Toshiba Tecra A9 - also around $1500 with options. >> Lenovo ThinkPad R61 - the fully-

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Vaughn Treude
Wayne Davis wrote: > Dell's Latitude series are the proven workhorses of their lineup. > Good advice, I made the mistake of looking in the "Home" section rather than "Small business". I can get a Latitude D830 for about the same price ($1467) but with an extra 2 GB of RAM. (That's 8X what I've

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Michael March
I want to 2nd the Mac recommendations.. Mac's have little touches that make them worth the few extra dollars. Off the top of my head, here are two things I find make their laptops worth the dough: 1. Design touches.. I have a Asus gaming laptop right now.. Specs and performance wise it awesome bu

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread Ted Gould
On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 16:03 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote: > Ted Gould wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 13:05 -0700, Vaughn Treude wrote: > >> I plan to make it dual-boot, because it would be useful to have Windoze > >> available so I can run Visual Studio. I detest Vista, so this means the > >> not

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread der.hans
Am 20. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Cat Chapman so: I'm using a system76 laptop to post this. They make Linux lappies, and so far I've had nothing but great things with this machine. Check them out at http://system76.com By going with sytem76 or something else purchased with GNU/Linux we can get suppor

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread fouldragon
re if MS Office, or worse yet, its free trial versiopn, wasn't preinstalled) 4. No more crapware. -Original Message- From: der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Main PLUG discussion list Sent: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 8:42 pm Subject: Re: OT: notebook shopping Am 20. Apr, 200

Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-21 Thread Erich Newell
s obvious. > > 3. Preinstalled-software inertia becomes less of an issue. > (OpenOffice would get installed more if MS Office, or worse yet, its > free trial versiopn, wasn't preinstalled) > > 4. No more crapware. > > > > > -Original M

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