Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-09 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Peter", who wrote on 2019-10-09 at 23:16 Uhr +1300: Wrong test that's the smtpd banner. The EHLO banner is specified in the smtp_helo_name setting and is sent when postfix makes a client connection to another server, not when you make a connection to postfix. Oh, I should have

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-09 Thread Peter
On 9/10/19 11:02 PM, martin f krafft wrote: Quoting "Peter", who wrote on 2019-10-09 at 10:54 Uhr +1300: Does ambassador.madduck.net match the EHLO banner as well? Yes, of course. ;) % swaks -q EHLO -s ambassador.madduck.net === Trying ambassador.madduck.net:25... === Connected to

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-09 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Peter", who wrote on 2019-10-09 at 10:54 Uhr +1300: Does ambassador.madduck.net match the EHLO banner as well? Yes, of course. ;) % swaks -q EHLO -s ambassador.madduck.net === Trying ambassador.madduck.net:25... === Connected to ambassador.madduck.net. <- 220-ambassador.madduck.net

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-08 Thread Peter
On 8/10/19 6:02 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: amazon have around 80 ipv4 adresses in there spf, is this nearly as good as +all :( Of course not. The entire IPv4 address space is approximately 4.2 billion IPs, 800,000 is only a tiny fraction of that, it's hardly comparable to +all. why

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-08 Thread Peter
On 8/10/19 5:48 AM, martin f krafft wrote: One of the actual addresses in question is 2001:a60:902f::bcae:fda6 which resolves to ambassador.madduck.net., which resolves to 2001:a60:902f::bcae:fda6. So I think I can tick off the "fcrdns" requirement. Does ambassador.madduck.net match the EHLO

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Robert Schetterer", who wrote on 2019-10-07 at 18:21 Uhr +0200: Also a wide bug is not to include the ipv6 stuff in SPF, did you checked this, in the past creating a extra transport for google only via ipv4 was helpfull too At least for madduck.net, I have SPF set to "v=spf1 ?all",

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Benny Pedersen
martin f krafft skrev den 2019-10-07 18:48: I really appreciate all your eyeballs. I really do! http://multirbl.valli.org/ good place to test all is ok

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Benny Pedersen
Robert Schetterer skrev den 2019-10-07 18:21: Also a wide bug is not to include the ipv6 stuff in SPF, did you checked this, in the past creating a extra transport for google only via ipv4 was helpfull too amazon have around 80 ipv4 adresses in there spf, is this nearly as good as +all

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Allen Coates", who wrote on 2019-10-07 at 10:15 Uhr +0100: Only one set of double-colons is allowed in an IPv6 address. It expands to an unspecified number of zeros; doing it twice results in ambiguity. Quoting "Wietse Venema", who wrote on 2019-10-07 at 07:00 Uhr -0400: The form

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 07.10.19 um 07:11 schrieb martin f krafft: Quoting "Wietse Venema", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 19:13 Uhr -0400: Perhaps the SMTP client IP address 2001:db8:bad::cafe:: has no PTR record (or the name does not resolve to 2001:db8:bad::cafe::). Good point, but the address has a PTR record to

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Wietse Venema
Jaroslaw Rafa: > Dnia 7.10.2019 o godz. 23:54:41 Peter pisze: > > > > We get this question on IRC a lot as well, it's a common problem. > > The generic answer I always give is this: > > > > If you're having problems getting your mail received by major ESPs > > you should first check your

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 7.10.2019 o godz. 23:54:41 Peter pisze: > > We get this question on IRC a lot as well, it's a common problem. > The generic answer I always give is this: > > If you're having problems getting your mail received by major ESPs > you should first check your fcrdns*, then make sure you have

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Peter
On 8/10/19 12:04 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: Dnia 7.10.2019 o godz. 23:54:41 Peter pisze: Also sign up for ESP-specific programs such as feedback loops, Google postmaster tools and Microsoft's SNDS. Check the individual postmaster pages for each ESP that you're having problems with to make sure

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 7.10.2019 o godz. 23:54:41 Peter pisze: > Also sign up for ESP-specific programs such as > feedback loops, Google postmaster tools and Microsoft's SNDS. Check > the individual postmaster pages for each ESP that you're having > problems with to make sure that you're in compliance with all of

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Wietse Venema
martin f krafft: > Quoting "Wietse Venema", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 19:13 Uhr -0400: > >Perhaps the SMTP client IP address 2001:db8:bad::cafe:: has no PTR > >record (or the name does not resolve to 2001:db8:bad::cafe::). > > Good point, but the address has a PTR record to a name with an

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Peter
On 7/10/19 5:36 AM, martin f krafft wrote: Folks, I hope this is not too off-topic, but I figure this is the best mailing list because we're probably not in this boat alone, wherein we're annoyed (very) and a bit helpless about Google. I have to ask here, because Google of course doesn't

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-07 Thread Allen Coates
On 07/10/2019 06:11, martin f krafft wrote: > Quoting "Wietse Venema", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 19:13 Uhr -0400: >> Perhaps the SMTP client IP address 2001:db8:bad::cafe:: has no PTR record (or >> the name does not resolve to 2001:db8:bad::cafe::). > > Good point, but the address has a PTR

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Wietse Venema", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 19:13 Uhr -0400: Perhaps the SMTP client IP address 2001:db8:bad::cafe:: has no PTR record (or the name does not resolve to 2001:db8:bad::cafe::). Good point, but the address has a PTR record to a name with an record pointing to the

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread Wietse Venema
martin f krafft: > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass (test mode) > header.i=@example.org header.s=2015-11-14 header.b=T7jbyqDv; > spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of > madd...@example.org designates 2001:db8:bad::cafe:: as > permitted sender)

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa
Dnia 6.10.2019 o godz. 12:50:27 Bill Cole pisze: > > The MailOp list is probably a better choice: > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop I have the very same issue as the OP, thanks for pointing to that list! -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread Benny Pedersen
martin f krafft skrev den 2019-10-06 19:03: Quoting "Bill Cole", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 12:50 Uhr -0400: The MailOp list is probably a better choice: https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop Thanks! I didn't know about that. Will re-ask there. Sorry for the noise.

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Bill Cole", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 12:50 Uhr -0400: The MailOp list is probably a better choice: https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop Thanks! I didn't know about that. Will re-ask there. Sorry for the noise. -- @martinkrafft |

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Benny Pedersen", who wrote on 2019-10-06 at 18:44 Uhr +0200: dkkim running in test mode ?, see if domain have t= in dns Yes, on some domains it's still running in test mode. Is that enough reason for Google admins to flick us the finger? -- @martinkrafft |

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread Benny Pedersen
Bill Cole skrev den 2019-10-06 18:50: The MailOp list is probably a better choice: https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop NET::ERR_CERT_SYMANTEC_LEGACY Actual Google mail admins respond to such queries there. Really. if recipient keeps mails in spam folder how could

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread Bill Cole
On 6 Oct 2019, at 12:36, martin f krafft wrote: Folks, I hope this is not too off-topic, but I figure this is the best mailing list because we're probably not in this boat alone, wherein we're annoyed (very) and a bit helpless about Google. I have to ask here, because Google of course

Re: How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread Benny Pedersen
martin f krafft skrev den 2019-10-06 18:36: Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@example.org header.s=2015-11-14 header.b=T7jbyqDv; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of madd...@example.org designates 2001:db8:bad::cafe:: as

How to avoid being classified as spam by Google?

2019-10-06 Thread martin f krafft
Folks, I hope this is not too off-topic, but I figure this is the best mailing list because we're probably not in this boat alone, wherein we're annoyed (very) and a bit helpless about Google. I have to ask here, because Google of course doesn't care about us. We operate several postfix