Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-13 Thread Juri Haberland
On 13.11.2016 21:33, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 08:42:19AM +0100, Juri Haberland wrote: >> Just go with the tips from BetterCrypto.org - as the site above suggests, >> too. > > Better yet, stick with the Postfix defaults, they were chosen with > care to be appropriate for M

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 08:42:19AM +0100, Juri Haberland wrote: > > They're just lines in a configure file. Save the old file and you back > > to where you were. > > Just go with the tips from BetterCrypto.org - as the site above suggests, too. Better yet, stick with the Postfix defaults, they

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-13 Thread Alice Wonder
On 11/12/2016 10:55 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:43:17 -0500 "Bill Cole" wrote: If the NSA/GCHQ capturing all of your SMTP traffic and saving it for hypothetical future decryption is a realistic and significant scenario in your threat model, you should reconsider your

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-12 Thread Juri Haberland
On 13.11.2016 07:55, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:43:17 -0500 > "Bill Cole" wrote: > > >> If the NSA/GCHQ capturing all of your SMTP traffic and saving it for >> hypothetical future decryption is a realistic and significant >> scenario in your threat model, you should rec

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-12 Thread li...@lazygranch.com
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:43:17 -0500 "Bill Cole" wrote: > If the NSA/GCHQ capturing all of your SMTP traffic and saving it for > hypothetical future decryption is a realistic and significant > scenario in your threat model, you should reconsider your use of > email. > I'm in the USA and getting

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-12 Thread Bill Cole
On 12 Nov 2016, at 18:59, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: # postconf tls_high_cipherlist tls_high_cipherlist = aNULL:-aNULL:HIGH:@STRENGTH verified Assuming the default "high" setting is sufficient, why wouldn't I change this parameter to high rather than medium. postconf smtpd_tls_mandatory_cip

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-12 Thread li...@lazygranch.com
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:29:54 -0500 "Bill Cole" wrote: > On 11 Nov 2016, at 14:31, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:54:48 -0500 > > "Bill Cole" wrote: > > [big snip...] > > >> The bottom line (if you've made it this far...) is that the > >> settings that involve deep

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-12 Thread Bill Cole
On 11 Nov 2016, at 14:31, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:54:48 -0500 "Bill Cole" wrote: [big snip...] The bottom line (if you've made it this far...) is that the settings that involve deep encryption parameters in modern Postfix are best left at their default values unle

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread lists
I did a search to see if Schneier changed his mind. He still prefers AES128.  Ditto on the bettercrypto link.  Back to lurking...   Original Message   From: Alice Wonder Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:44 PM To: postfix-users@postfix.org Subject: Re: bits of encryption On 11/11/2016 11:00

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread Juri Haberland
On 11.11.2016 12:21, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > So is this level of encryption something openssl sets up? ‎That is where do I > set the parameter? You might want to read https://bettercrypto.org/static/applied-crypto-hardening.pdf It has background information and configuration examples for m

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread Alice Wonder
...@lazygranch.com; postfix-users@postfix.org Subject: Re: bits of encryption On 2016-11-11 12:08, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: That does explain a lot, but why when I "talk to myself" (send myself email) do I get a lower grade (less bits) of encryption than when another server is sending mail? Is

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread lists
rg Subject: Re: bits of encryption On 11/11/2016 03:21 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > So is this level of encryption something openssl sets up? ‎That is where do I > set the parameter? > > Original Message > From: Sven Schwedas > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:15 AM > To

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread li...@lazygranch.com
On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:54:48 -0500 "Bill Cole" wrote: > On 11 Nov 2016, at 6:21, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > > > So is this level of encryption something openssl sets up? > > Yes and no. The partners in an encrypted session negotiate the > details of a ciphersuite when the session is establ

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread Alice Wonder
: bits of encryption On 2016-11-11 12:08, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: That does explain a lot, but why when I "talk to myself" (send myself email) do I get a lower grade (less bits) of encryption than when another server is sending mail? Is there some parameter I need to set in postfix

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread Bill Cole
On 11 Nov 2016, at 6:21, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: So is this level of encryption something openssl sets up? Yes and no. The partners in an encrypted session negotiate the details of a ciphersuite when the session is established, based on both of their configurations. For Postfix, the conf

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread lists
So is this level of encryption something openssl sets up? ‎That is where do I set the parameter?   Original Message   From: Sven Schwedas Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:15 AM To: li...@lazygranch.com; postfix-users@postfix.org Subject: Re: bits of encryption On 2016-11-11 12:08, li

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread Sven Schwedas
On 2016-11-11 12:08, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > That does explain a lot, but why when I "talk to myself" (send myself email) > do I get a lower grade (less bits) of encryption than when another server is > sending mail? Is there some parameter I need to set in postfix?‎

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread lists
That does explain a lot, but why when I "talk to myself" (send myself email) do I get a lower grade (less bits) of encryption than when another server is sending mail? Is there some parameter I need to set in postfix?‎    Original Message   From: Sven Schwedas Sent: Friday, November

Re: bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread Sven Schwedas
On 2016-11-11 11:16, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: > This comes under the notion that if you don't ask, you don't learn. It is a bit off topic, yes. > I did some dovecot2 updates, so naturally I decided to test the mail > system. When I mail a message to myself, this is the TLS notification: > (usi

bits of encryption

2016-11-11 Thread li...@lazygranch.com
This comes under the notion that if you don't ask, you don't learn. I did some dovecot2 updates, so naturally I decided to test the mail system. When I mail a message to myself, this is the TLS notification: (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) However I do recei