Thank you all very much for the feedback. I guess I have a lot to read
for the holidays now...
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Is there an excel-hater's mailing list we could move this discussion
to. :)
ps - Is it possible to open the slime inspector on a stack frame or
frames?
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Or at least learn the difference between a spreadsheet and a database...
I see too many spreadsheets used as databases.
Neil Gilmore
ra...@raito.com
Quoting "Thomas M. Hermann" :
If people are going to rely on Excel to the extent that they do, I wish
they'd at least learn VBA.
_
If you have people making messy spreadsheets that are
hard to maintain, you might want to look at this. I have
not used it myself:
http://www.modelsheetsoft.com
But it's from Howard Cannon, Symbolics co-founder and
main inventor of Flavors, an ancestor of CLOS.
-- Dan
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9
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I am knee-deep daily in one of those communities. Time and time again, I
request that people send me the raw text files of data as opposed to poorly
importing them into an Excel spreadsheet. Or, I'll get some spreadsheet
"analysis" that contains brittle calculations that require lots of han
Speaking of XML, there's another good example of a special-purpose DSL,
designed for efficient processing of OSM map data, described here:
http://swizard.livejournal.com/142027.html (text in Russian).
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Didier Verna wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I'm starting to wri
+1
May I also say that there are entire scientific, financial, and accounting
communities that should be barred from using Excel?
Cheers
--
MA
On Jul 22, 2011, at 09:14 , Daniel Pezely wrote:
> ...
> Lessons learned: (a few more while I'm here)
>
> 1. Know your audience, and build for t
On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Didier Verna wrote:
> Right now, I would like to know if any of you have DSL "pearls", nice
> examples of DSLs that you have written in Lisp by using some of its
> features in a clever or elegant way. I would also gladly accept any
> point of view or comment on what's
XML, good point. XMLisp combines S-expressions and XML into X-expression via
CLOS, MOP, Lisp reader and Lisp printer:
- paper: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/papers/PDF/X-expressions.pdf
- code (all in one file)
http://code.google.com/p/xmlisp/source/browse/trunk/XMLisp/sources/XMLisp/XMLisp.l
Another cut example I did many years ago (showing my NYU colors) along the
lines of what Pascal shows here is the "SETL syntax" in CL. I still have the
code. Here is the stupid PRIMES
(defun primes (max)
[n in (range 3 max 2)
such-that (not (exist m in (range 3 (min (1- n) (+ 2 (sqrt n)))
Well, since we are talking about XML stuff, I have another shameless plug
myself then :)
http://within-parens.blogspot.com/2011/06/printing-xhtm.html
All in all the pretty-printer is very nice, it'd be nice to have an agreed upon
jazzed up version of CLOS dispatching.
Cheers
MA
On J
Didier Verna writes:
> Dear friends,
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_frm/thread/0245342429c61800/f7966bf3df9f716c#f7966bf3df9f716c
Notably, in this type of DSL, you'll note how you can mix Lisp
expressions with expressions in the new languages, at several levels.
@[Ical
You might want to examine
https://github.com/franzinc/net-xml-generatorwhich is (sort-of) a DSL
for generating and pretty-printing XML. It uses
reader macros and the pretty-printer so that XML elements can be freely
intermixed and nested inside Lisp code. (Unlike HTML, XML has an unbounded
set of t
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Martin Cracauer wrote:
> I find that people have a wrong impression of what it means to have a
> domain specific language.
>
> For me, one of the greatest advantages of Lisp is literal data in
> code. I don't have to write a complicated parser for some external
>
I like how Lisp allowed me to use almost without any change the spec of
Redis to define its commands in cl-redis library (
https://github.com/vseloved/cl-redis/blob/master/commands.lisp). This gives,
IMHO, the best possible decoupling from the implementation, which allows for
easy refactoring of th
This is pretty tragic for me because I made and open-sourced a bunch
of "pretty good" DSL's, unfortunately they're still not cleaned up and
completely undocumented. Also, all the usage examples of them are
buried in some big abortive undocumented proprietary project with lots
of newb-code (most of
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Didier Verna wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I'm starting to write a chapter for an upcoming book on domain specific
> languages. The chapter is called (tentatively):
>
> Extensible languages -- blurring the distinction between DSLs and GPLs
>
> GPL meaning General P
Paul gave an excellent overview.
I would also describe the ability of CL of "re-plumbing" itself (shameless
plug: the DEFINER library :) ) and, of course, as a standard example from ages
ago, Prolog-like languages and the slew of logic languages build on top of CL.
cheers
MA
On Jul 20, 2011
It seems to me that most people don't understand the rudiments of CL's ability
for creating DSL's and live in the land of Blub.
If you're going to discuss creation of DSLs, it might be an idea to first
relate the aspects of CL using compiler terminology.
Here are some random thoughts (not all a
We have been working on what we call domain oriented languages for some time
ranging from the first visual programming language for the MIT programmable
brick (later Mindstorms)
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/papers/PDF/VL95-LEGOsheets.pdf
to AgentCubes (a 3D environment for end-users):
htt
Peter Seibel wrote:
> Is this whole book about DSLs? I'll be interested to see it. And glad
> they're getting at least one Lisper.
Yes. I'll let you know when the project is finalized.
--
Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated.
Scientific site: http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier
Mus
I think the chapter on binary data types in PCL is a reasonable
example of a certain kind of DSL. Is this whole book about DSLs? I'll
be interested to see it. And glad they're getting at least one Lisper.
-Peter
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Didier Verna wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I'm star
Not sure if I'd call it a "pearl", but here's one data point. Hell, I'm
not even sure if this counts as a DSL or not, most of what I know of
DSLs comes from blog posts and ruby fanatics.
I had a legacy electronic voting system (IIS/VBscript/SQL Server) and
wrote some lisp to configure elections.
LOOP macro
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Didier Verna wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I'm starting to write a chapter for an upcoming book on domain specific
> languages. The chapter is called (tentatively):
>
> Extensible languages -- blurring the distinction between DSLs and GPLs
>
> GPL mean
Dear friends,
I'm starting to write a chapter for an upcoming book on domain specific
languages. The chapter is called (tentatively):
Extensible languages -- blurring the distinction between DSLs and GPLs
GPL meaning General Purpose Language in this context ;-)
My intention is to demonstrat
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