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You need to put some solar panels on your roof and
start saving money.
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Here in California with crooks like PGE
Come on guys - surely this should be OT by now?
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neighbor's house, yeah, that's the ticket!
John
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Not if they're raising the rates faster
For some time they have mentioned that electricity cables can carry
broadband. I think trials even went ahead though I don’t know of any real
cases it may have happened. So if that’s the case why not pipe the meter
results back that way, never mind a van. Being that in the uk many
electricity
john harvey wrote:
Hmmm, if they let you have access to the data, it would pay for
itself within a year, I'll bet. Last I heard, they ruled it out.
What could you do with the data that would give you that much of a return?
1. I just got home and the house is hot, turn on Air
2. Clothes are
around.
John
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john harvey wrote:
Hmmm, if they let you have access to the data
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For some time they have mentioned that electricity cables can carry
broadband. I think trials
On 2/10/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just like using biofeedback... I'll bet you have some of those things
happening if you look around.
There's a great tool - a Kill-A-Watt you can use between your outlet
and equipment. It can tell you amps, watts and kwh. Handy for figuring
out
I think just to see a computer readout of something
might give you incentive.
However, why would the utilities want to make you cut
down on use? Only on days when there is a risk of
blackout would I suspect they want you to cut down.
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john harvey
I've had that on my list of things to buy for a while.
Would be interested to see how much my old
refrigerator is actually wasting.
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Just like using biofeedback... I'll bet you have
some of those
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I think just to see a computer readout of something
might give you incentive.
However, why would the utilities want to make you cut
down on use? Only on days when there is a risk of
blackout would I suspect they want you to cut down
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On 2/10/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just like using biofeedback... I'll bet you have some
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Just like using biofeedback... I'll bet you have some of those things
happening
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has a good read on this. It appears the federal
govt may have already
mandated it.
John
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Just like using biofeedback... I'll bet you
Hmmm, if you can cut usage, you can cut cost.
John
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You need to put some solar panels
What ? You haven't made a VFP program to do that ?
Oh wait neither have I
Al
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I keep my utility
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Maybe I can find an activex component to interface
with my gas meter.
--- Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What ? You haven't made a VFP program to do that ?
Oh wait neither
john harvey wrote:
That's kind of interesting to note. Here in Memphis they are
discussing using utility meters that can be read by a vehicle driving
down the street.
I want one of those installed on mine and the ability to pull that
data. It could be like biofeedback. Knowing how much
Nah, they looked at it, but didn't buy it. I wish they would and would
expose the data.
John
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john harvey wrote:
Nah, they looked at it, but didn't buy it. I wish they would and
would expose the data.
I heard that the homeowner has to foot the bill and it was along the lines
of 400 per unit? Ouch if you have a good one already.
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john harvey wrote:
Nah, they looked at it, but didn't buy it. I wish they would and
would expose the data.
I heard that the homeowner has to foot the bill and it was along the lines
of 400 per unit? Ouch if you have a good one already
Interesting that you thought first of air con then insulation, In
Europe/North Africa it would be the other way around with even
traditional homes in areas with very warm/cold temps using thick walls
to insulate the inside and 'modern' housing using various forms of
insulation.
Even if you
Geothermal is a big thing in Rotorua, New Zealand with the houses having
geothermally heated hot water, etc. Unfortunately the demand is now so
great that the geysers which are a major tourist attraction are being
adversely affected. Even geothermal energy has its limits.
John Weller
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Geothermal mixed with a heat pump which I think is what you are talking about
is a highly viable technology in most areas of the country for both heating and
cooling, working off the relatively shallow depths where the earth stays an
average of 55 degrees. Straight air to air heat pumps can
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mohole
(yes, I *am* old enough to remember it!)
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On Thursday 08 February 2007 3:17 am, Michael Hawksworth wrote:
Interesting that you thought first of air con then insulation, In
Europe/North Africa it would be the other way around with even
traditional homes in areas with very warm/cold temps using thick walls
to insulate the inside and
They didn't (and largely still don't) have air con in rural Itally and
north africa for example. Thick walls and tiles being used to reduce
the internal heat.
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On Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:07 AM Steven Holt wrote:
My comments in line:
Geothermal mixed with a heat pump which I think is what you are talking
about is a highly viable technology in most areas of the country for
both heating and cooling, working off the relatively shallow depths
where
On Feb 8, 2007, at 10:17 AM, David Crooks wrote:
I heard of a gentleman on the Eastern Shore of Maryland that spent
$20K
for geothermal for his 6,000 sqft house. Seems like he would have to
live there for many years before getting a payback on that investment.
That's true, but it
On 2/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0207/p01s04-stss.html
Steam from the ground is a tad safer then nuclear cesspools don't you
think?
I sent a letter to the President (Carter? Don't think I would have bothered
with Reagan) when I was
That's true, but it probably also increased the value of his house.
Being able to sell a home with minimal heating/cooling requirements
is a big plus.
-- Ed Leafe
I find that the argument of raising the value of your house is a good
thing to be extremely bogus. It only applies to when you
On Feb 8, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Nicholas Geti wrote:
I find that the argument of raising the value of your house is a good
thing to be extremely bogus. It only applies to when you sell your
house.
If you don't intend to sell your house for a long time, you don't
want to
increase the value;
Your point was that the person would have to stay in the house a
long time in order to recover the cost. My point was that the cost
would be recovered either by a) staying in the house a long time or
b) staying in a short time and then selling. Your objection to having
to stay a long time
The individual air conditioning units had a pay-back
of less than a year, I believe the insulation would
have a payback of much longer, that's why we chose
them first.
I'm going to estimate the savings if I turned off the
air conditioning to be another $300 per year, but that
isn't feasible in
With tax credits and the new technology, solar in NJ
has as low as a 5 year payback if you tie into the
grid.
Solar is presently
expensive per kwh but will probably be coming down
fast as thin film newspaper style printing
technology comes on line. Google based investors
have a large plant
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That's true, but it probably also increased the value of his house.
Being able to sell a home with minimal heating/cooling requirements
is a big plus
Not getting much feeling of FoxPro or computers from this thread :)
At least the posts I did look at.
Al
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Not getting much feeling of FoxPro or computers
from this thread
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0207/p01s04-stss.html
Steam from the ground is a tad safer then nuclear cesspools don't you think?
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There are just two major catches. First, about $800 million in research
and development is needed over the next decade to make the drilling
technology cost-effective. Second, the Department of Energy is trying to
kill the program by ending its funding.
Yep, the bushies would rather spend the
I've been hearing about geothermal since I did a
report on it in 4Th grade. It ain't ever going to
happen here.
Solar and Wind work now and should be on everyone's
homes shortly.
By the way, we've cut our house gas and electric bills
by $600 this year. We did it by only cooling and
heating
: [NF] Energy from a hot rock
I've been hearing about geothermal since I did a
report on it in 4Th grade. It ain't ever going to
happen here.
Solar and Wind work now and should be on everyone's
homes shortly.
By the way, we've cut our house gas and electric bills
by $600 this year. We
Michael Madigan wrote:
I've been hearing about geothermal since I did a report on it in 4Th
grade. It ain't ever going to happen here.
Nature really does a good job in the heating of water in some areas. Take
natural hot springs and get the water to pump from much lower.
Solar and
On Wednesday 07 February 2007 8:15 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
I've been hearing about geothermal since I did a
report on it in 4Th grade. It ain't ever going to
happen here.
Solar and Wind work now and should be on everyone's
homes shortly.
By the way, we've cut our house gas and electric
I was talking about photo-voltaic, not heating with
solar energy.
We surely need new windows, but they are really
expensive and seem to have a fairly high payback time.
But, after we insulate the walls and roof, that will
be the next logical step. They will also keep the
sound out better too.
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