> -Original Message-
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:57 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Cc: JaMi Smith
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troubleshooting.
>
>
> The previous edition of this post was incomplete - sorry
> about th
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> I mean forgive me for being sarcastic, truely, I am sorry,
> but I need to be
> able to talk to someone in Tech Support who can understand my
> questions, and
> can understand Electronic Design, and can understand what I
> am using Protel
> for
Ian,
I do plan on writing the final procedure up as you suggested, and I will
submit it to you before posting it
JaMi
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From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: [PEDA] Flipping
The previous edition of this post was incomplete - sorry about that, I tried
to save it so I wouldnt loose it and sent it by mistake - it's Wednesday. js
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Golly gee, six munths ago i cuddent evn spel enjinner, now i are one.
Tony,
I think someone wrote th
Hi all,
Further to the discussion on flipping PCBs or parts of PCB designs from one
side of the board to the other.
At the time, I made a comment that this works in DXP - at the time some DXP
users may have wondered what planet I was on. It seems it is one of the
later fixes in the DXP servi
Golly gee, six munths ago i cuddent evn spel enjinner, now i are one.
Tony,
I think someone wrote this for you, "Did you run out of your meds?? You
really are nitpicking now."
Please see below,
JaMi
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From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:39:53 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
>I know of two computers with 128 MB of RAM that run P99SE without crashing
>if the resource meter is watched (these are all Win98 machines).
Just a confirmation - if you have insufficient physical memory you get swap
file access, very insu
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:14:32 +0930, you wrote:
>Sorry! Bit too specific on the URL.
>Go to http://www.hypertronics.com/catalog2001/h_series/
>Grab the pdf file, or open the specific pages. The information IS there.
I had that PDF before posting this question. It does not contain sufficient
in
All of DXP and the reasons for it's development are baffling to me.
I refuse to use it.
They throw away a good program, push out a pc of junk which is initially
entirely non-functional, and then pump us (for free) for details on how
it should work.
what is the current las vegas betting line on S
On 10:17 AM 17/10/2002 +1000, Igor Gmitrovic said:
>JaMi,
>
>there it is, the root of your problems. You have only 128MB of RAM.
>Upgrade that and you will have Protel running happily and will save
>yourself a lot of frustration. And don't forget to install a video card
>with at least 16MB RAM.
Yes, its terrible. I had to export the BOM to Excel and rebuild it using
macros. Big nuisance, big hassle.
Sincerely,
Tim Hutcheson
-Original Message-
From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:14 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subje
Jon,
if this is true, it then explains why all those short tracks appear under pads.
Basically, it is not a gridless autorouter, unless there is a definition of 'gridless'
that is different from my understanding of the word.
Igor
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE
Altium, please explain the logic in no longer providing a quantity column
in BOM outputs or allowing more than one designator per line. What could
have possibly possessed you guys to remove the quantity column in DXP's BOM
formats! I am 99% convinced that a quantity option is not in DXP as I ha
JaMi,
there it is, the root of your problems. You have only 128MB of RAM. Upgrade that and
you will have Protel running happily and will save yourself a lot of frustration. And
don't forget to install a video card with at least 16MB RAM. They don't even make them
with less than 32MB today.
Ig
Shuping,
In DXP there is a rule scope 'InRegion' this can be
used to set different rules to an area, like under
a BGA. You use a Query with any rules to set the
region for the rule to work in, or Not in.
Darren Moore
> -Original Message-
> From: Shuping Lew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On 11:31 AM 16/10/2002 -0700, Brad Velander said:
>Daniel,
> I don't believe there is any fix for this problem. One Work-around
>that 'doesn't' work is to place a fill of the appropriate size and shape
>over the pad because when Gerbered the fill also gets drawn instead of
>flashed. I have
Sorry! Bit too specific on the URL.
Go to http://www.hypertronics.com/catalog2001/h_series/
Grab the pdf file, or open the specific pages. The information IS there.
Dave Sanders
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From: Terry Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:01 PM
skuse my spelling... I meant baiting - batting does sound insane..
EDA Dundee
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From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch Talent for Troublesho
On 06:36 PM 16/10/2002 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support said:
> > Its a tough place so we look for REAL skills, ya know, kangaroo culling,
> > crocodile bating,
>
>Do you mean baiting, as in setting out bait for them? Or batting, as in
>clubbing them with a baseball bat? The former sounds dangerou
> Its a tough place so we look for REAL skills, ya know, kangaroo culling,
> crocodile bating,
Do you mean baiting, as in setting out bait for them? Or batting, as in
clubbing them with a baseball bat? The former sounds dangerous, the latter
insane...
We have alligators here in Florida USA, so
The Protel AR is good for more than small TH PCBs. I have used it on SMT
multilayer boards with no problems (but some annoyances!). It doesn't crash
on me, but it will do stupid things (multiple routes from a pad to a ground
plane, for example).
If you have 1024 channels of identical ciruitry,
Please do!! :)
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Mayfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Quantity Column in DXP's BOM output
>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Yes it is a nuisance that we cannot get a breakdown of com
G'Day Mate (JaMi),
Down here at Altium in Oz, we don't really like to focus on technical stuff
when looking for new blokes to join, we reckon its a bit limiting so we look
for much more IMPORTANT stuff !!
Its a tough place so we look for REAL skills, ya know, kangaroo culling,
crocodile bating,
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Hi Rob,
Yes it is a nuisance that we cannot get a breakdown of component
quantities, even the Protel
format is not always perfect. So, we here use an Excel VB script I wrote
to process the BOM,
in fact it can select multiple xls files, add a quantity, select fields
to match by and select field
It will not work if just simply setting up bigger routing grids. It may
works if a clearance is set to match the grid. But it will be too large
for the fan out traces. I set up the clearance by via spec. (21 mil
clearance between vias so a 7/7mil trace can go through). I gave the
router a try. Som
Thanks, I had completely forgotten about those situations where a ground
plane isn't being used...
There are several ways that I can think of to do this, if you give the
router info on the maximum size of the current through the connection, and
the maximum voltage drop across the connection (impl
Jami, you really are becoming quite offensive and at the same time
showing your ignorance. I looked at what you viewed and you're obviously
talking about Denzil Crasta.
Just because he may not know DXP, or know PCB layout or SCH capture,
doesn't me he isn't qualified to write code for those thing
Shuping Lew wrote:
> Jon, Thank you very much for your replied.
>
> Could you describe some more details? ---How to set up different grids
> for Vias and traces? Grid setting for traces should be much smaller than
> Via's... I'd like to set up 5mil for traces and 55 mil for vias so I can
> run a
Oops . . .
I'll try again with a message this time . . . anyway, it's Wenesday, and my
brain only functions on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
I just thought that it might make a difference in how it is handled based on
where it is encountered, and also if it was a fill verses a pad.
Even if it is done
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From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 45 degree pad problem !
> Jami,
> doesn't matter how you do it, Protel draws rotated pads or fills
> when gerbered.
Thanks,
That explains it all . . .
The following paragraph was taken off of the website from one of the
"Graduate Stories" under "Graduate Recruitment":
"My role at Altium is Software Engineer, which entails developing new
features for Altium's products. When I first started, I spent a week
bec
Jami,
doesn't matter how you do it, Protel draws rotated pads or fills
when gerbered.
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.
Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax (604) 292-9010
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.norsat.com
Norsat's Mi
Daniel,
I don't believe there is any fix for this problem. One Work-around
that 'doesn't' work is to place a fill of the appropriate size and shape
over the pad because when Gerbered the fill also gets drawn instead of
flashed. I have usually found that the draw was with such a small apert
Here is one:
http://www.altium.com/careers/co_aust_se.htm
John Williams
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From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Top Notch T
Daniel,
I am assuming that you are placing the pad in the design, and then made it
rectangular and changed its rotation.
Have you tried making the rectangular pad as a component, and then placing
it and rotating it, or alternatly, rotating the pad within the component
itself.
Yet another approa
I'm a little slow at times, but it just struck me that one of reasons that
we are having all of the software problems that we are having with Protel /
Altium is that Protel / Altium in Austraila may be may be enforcing the same
high standards of excellence in their hiring practices when hiring
Pro
Julian,
Long ago and far away, in a parallel universe, I had occasion to contact
Protel Tech Support on the issue of what I should be looking for in a
graphics card when I upgraded to a 2.2 GHz P4, and was told:
Protel does not use any of the 3D stuff that is out there (which is pretty
much game
Morning All:
I have placed some rectangular pads on a 45 degree angle to accomodate a
microstrip design. The problem is that when I generate gerbers, these pads
on an angle have rounded corners. This changes copper layout enough to be a
problem for my RF design. I am wondering if there is a setti
I would like to make an attempt to use DXP on some "real work" despite some
of the "show stoppers" I have listed on the various forums and sent to
Altium, however there is one item that I have not been able to resolve yet
that is very important in my relationship with assembly houses. That would
It might be interesting to consider the board as an array of spots, and route each
track separately, noting which spots get used the most. Then use that data to cause
the longer tracks through those points to flee those points. They are already long,
making them a bit longer usually won't hurt
Bevan:
> Not to discourage you, but I think some of the best minds in the
> industry have been working on autorouters for 20 years and we have 'what
> we have.' If you can single-handedly come out with an autorouter that
Phooey on that. Bevan, I encourage you in your autorouter development
ques
> We have an external contractor that uses a much less spec machine and
256meg
> ram,
> they have a policy of formatting the HD and re-installing each time Protel
> crashes.
> (Personally, I think that's a bit extreme, read on...)
Wow! Extreme indeed. Do they actually manage to get any real *wo
On 11:41 AM 16/10/2002 +0200, Wojciech Oborski said:
>Julian Higginson wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com/
>>there was nothing particularly relevant (in fact it only goes back a month
>>or so...)
>
>
>If you just follow <> link, that's true, but if you
>use the
Hello,
I've tried to find it... Without succes !
I tried with Google and Copernic...
I even with CuteFtp !
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De : Schmitt Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : mardi 15 octobre 2002 09:13
À : 'Protel EDA Forum'
Objet : Re: [PEDA] Export Eagle to Protel?
A couple
Julian Higginson wrote:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com/
> there was nothing particularly relevant (in fact it only goes back a month
> or so...)
If you just follow <> link, that's true, but if you
use their search mechanism it will go back deeper in time (don't
Oh,
You wanted to know if there are similar board to yours out there.
We have a number of designs on 11"x13" 6 layer + 5 mech.
It has more than 1000 components, populated both sides with several QFPs.
I think you can even see a picture of one of the boards on the web
(The site's bleeding AS
Hi,
You are correct to get a better machine and loose the ATI card.
I run 1.7GHz and 1G RAM, and NVidia TNT2 32meg, the ATI card low memory was
the
cause of most of our previous problems - still no idea why
We've also had problems with some printer drivers, especially a PCL6.
(Incidentally
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:39:39 +0930, Dave Sanders wrote:
>Why can't you just go to the web site?
>ie.
>http://www.hypertronics.com/catalog2001/h_series/h-6.html
The drawings there have no dimensions for the connector housing and don't
show a 5 row right angle footprint (which I could probably gue
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