Re: Explaining the benefits of http-range14 (was Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs) )

2011-10-21 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Norman Gray wrote: > > Nathan, hello. > > It's NIR that's of interest to this discussion, but there's no way of > indicating within HTTP that a resource is in that set [1], only that > something is in IR. The important distinction, I think, is not between one ki

Re: Explaining the benefits of http-range14 (was Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs) )

2011-10-21 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Lin Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Jonathan Rees > wrote: >> >> >> If you adopt the httpRange-14 rule, what this does is make the Flickr >> and Jamendo pages "wrong", and if *they* agree, th

Re: Explaining the benefits of http-range14 (was Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs) )

2011-10-21 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jonathan Rees wrote: > How could an S2 assuming client, assume that the >> data is actually about another resource? > > By observing D2 Sorry, I'm speaking nonsense. The point is, that if you assume S2 or or you assume D2, you'll know

Re: Explaining the benefits of http-range14 (was Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs) )

2011-10-21 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Leigh Dodds wrote: > Hi, > > On 19 October 2011 23:10, Jonathan Rees wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Leigh Dodds wrote: >>> Hi Jonathan >>> >>> I think what I'm interested in is what problems might

Re: Explaining the benefits of http-range14 (was Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs) )

2011-10-19 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Leigh Dodds wrote: > Hi Jonathan > > I think what I'm interested in is what problems might surface and > approaches for mitigating them. I'm sorry, the writeup was designed to do exactly that. In the example in the "conflict" section, a miscommunication (unsurface

Re: Explaining the benefits of http-range14 (was Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs) )

2011-10-19 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Leigh Dodds wrote: > So, can we turn things on their head a little. Instead of starting out > from a position that we *must* have two different resources, can we > instead highlight to people the *benefits* of having different > identifiers? That makes it more of

Re: Address Bar URI

2011-10-18 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > On 10/18/11 11:20 AM, Jonathan Rees wrote: >> >> Wow, this is new information for me that the redirect-to-hash issue >> would bear on this question, so this is interesting. >> >> However I must be dense

Re: Address Bar URI

2011-10-18 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Michael Smethurst wrote: > I don't seem to be doing a such good job at lurking but I'd thought the > current argument against fragment ids was you always get a 200 (so long as > the information resource they hang off exists). So: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes

Re: Address Bar URI

2011-10-18 Thread Jonathan Rees
this list are dealing with pre-2005 URIs.) What is the "really bad" thing that happened? (And what could it possibly have to do with redirects?) Thanks Jonathan On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > On 10/18/11 7:54 AM, Jonathan Rees wrote: >> >> Can s

Re: Address Bar URI

2011-10-18 Thread Jonathan Rees
Can someone remind me why people are using 303 at all, as opposed to hash URIs in the #_ or #it pattern? I've been trying to make a compelling case for 303 over hash, without much success. What would be most valuable is war stories, especially ones that answer questions that have been left unansw

Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs)

2011-10-17 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Jonathan Rees wrote: > Tools like this are more useful when they provide not just some > judgment but also the justification, in terms of what was found and > what is specified, for any particular judgment. (The W3C HTML > validator does this really we

Re: [HTTP-range-14] Hyperthing: Semantic Web URI Validator (303, 301, 302, 307 and hash URIs)

2011-10-17 Thread Jonathan Rees
I'm not sure what your script is supposed to do. If you give it http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jbi.2008.03.004 it says that "identifies" a Real World Object or Thing. That seems ok, since documents are arguably real, but this is completely uninformative. If you give it http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Pe

Re: Address Bar URI

2011-10-14 Thread Jonathan Rees
The address bar situation is discussed here http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/04/why_does_the_address_bar_show.html with reference to the Mozilla bug report. Basically the browser folks think retaining the pre-forwarding URI would be a kind of a lie, given that the content that's displayed came from some

Crossref DOI metadata linked

2011-09-23 Thread Jonathan Rees
I assumed someone had announced this amazing linked data source to the list, but I did a search and found nothing, so I guess it falls on me to say something. CrossRef, the guardian of most of the DOIs (digital object identifiers) that you encounter in scholarly articles, publishes RDF for the alm

Re: Comments solicited: "Providing and discovering definitions of URIs"

2011-06-25 Thread Jonathan Rees
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Rees wrote: > Comments solicited: "Providing and discovering definitions of URIs" > > (message being sent to www-tag, bcc: public-lod and semantic-web) > > As most of you know, the 9-year-old "httpRange-14" turf war...

Comments solicited: "Providing and discovering definitions of URIs"

2011-06-25 Thread Jonathan Rees
Comments solicited: "Providing and discovering definitions of URIs" (message being sent to www-tag, bcc: public-lod and semantic-web) As most of you know, the 9-year-old "httpRange-14" turf war is an annoyance and embarrassment in efforts to develop RDF, linked data, the Semantic Web, and Web arc

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-16 Thread Jonathan Rees
In case anyone's not aware, the TAG is working in the area being discussed on this thread - i.e. on deployment and performance of linked data nose-following and the possible conflict with current metadata practices - as its issue 57, http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57 . In my analysis