Norman Gray writes:
>> Norman Gray writes:
I am not completely familiar with DOI. Am I right, that it more or less
provides the same service as http://purl.org .
DOI links on the resource-level. You would still need frag ids to link to
parts.
Firefox can actually handle
Greetings.
On 2013 May 3, at 00:10, Alexander Garcia Castro wrote:
> Norman, I would love to be just as optimistic as u seem to be.
There's only recently been widespread interest in 'semantic PDF' (beyond a few
enthusiasts). That's too recent for pessimism to be justified.
> unfortunately,
Phillip, hello.
On 2013 May 9, at 13:09, Phillip Lord wrote:
> Norman Gray writes:
>>> I am not completely familiar with DOI. Am I right, that it more or less
>>> provides the same service as http://purl.org .
>>> DOI links on the resource-level. You would still need frag ids to link to
>>> pa
Norman Gray writes:
>> I am not completely familiar with DOI. Am I right, that it more or less
>> provides the same service as http://purl.org .
>> DOI links on the resource-level. You would still need frag ids to link to
>> parts.
>> Firefox can actually handle this:
>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1038
and discussion in this
> area as to best practices and recommendations.
> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/
>
>
> Rob Sanderson
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Dawson, Laura wrote:
>
>> Short DOIs for fragment IDs?
>>
>> From:
to:i...@csarven.ca>>, "public-lod@w3.org
<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>"
mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
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> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:33 PM
> To: Paul Groth
> Cc: Steve Pettifer , Sarven Capadisli <
> i...@csarven.ca>, "public-lod@w3.org"
> Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
> Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org"
> Resent-Date: Thursday, M
Norman, I would love to be just as optimistic as u seem to be.
unfortunately, due to the evidence I just cant. in any case, I would
like to invite u to a hackathon we are currently organizing.
Join us in Montpellier for a one-day event to hack on scholarly PDFs!
Currently, the bulk of peer-revie
Alexander, hello.
On 2013 May 2, at 22:49, Alexander Garcia Castro wrote:
> Hi Norman, I have heard the same from ADOBE people. its not the PDF it
> is YOU not wise enough as to know how to generate a PDF.
> Unfortunately, I dont work with PDFs generated by me, I have to deal
> with those comin
Hi Norman, I have heard the same from ADOBE people. its not the PDF it
is YOU not wise enough as to know how to generate a PDF.
Unfortunately, I dont work with PDFs generated by me, I have to deal
with those coming from publishers; probably they should attend a
training for generating PDFs.
It is
Sebastian, hello.
While I'm on this topic
On 2013 May 2, at 22:18, Sebastian Hellmann
wrote:
> I am not completely familiar with DOI. Am I right, that it more or less
> provides the same service as http://purl.org .
> DOI links on the resource-level. You would still need frag ids to link
On 05/02/2013 10:41 PM, Norman Gray wrote:
Sarven and all, hello.
Hi Norman :)
On 2013 May 2, at 18:38, Sarven Capadisli wrote:
_What_ sucks on the web? Certainly not PDF.
HTML/Web, PDF/Desktop?
PDF/Web, HTML/Desktop? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
I was just trying t
Alexander, hello.
On 2013 May 2, at 21:46, Alexander Garcia Castro wrote:
> I have a simple problem. how to extract meaningful information from
> the PDF? for instance, citation data from the PDF. I would be happy if
> I could extract citation data with a 70% accuracy. so far we have
> tried a
.@manchester.ac.uk>>, Sarven Capadisli
mailto:i...@csarven.ca>>, "public-lod@w3.org
<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>" mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>"
mailto:pu
On 05/02/2013 10:30 PM, Sebastian Hellmann wrote:
Hi Sarven,
Hi Sebastian. So, let me get this right; you are arguing the point that
PDF is somehow better for accessing and sharing knowledge? Last I
checked, the Web runs on HTML and friends, not PDF. There is a lot of
FUD in your reply, I'll
I have a simple problem. how to extract meaningful information from
the PDF? for instance, citation data from the PDF. I would be happy if
I could extract citation data with a 70% accuracy. so far we have
tried a lot of tools and got very poor results. I would also like to
know how could I get the
Sarven and all, hello.
On 2013 May 2, at 18:38, Sarven Capadisli wrote:
>> _What_ sucks on the web? Certainly not PDF.
>
> HTML/Web, PDF/Desktop?
PDF/Web, HTML/Desktop? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
>> Thus HTML can do some unimportant things better than PDF,
>
> Web pages.
gt;>,
"public-lod@w3.org<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>"
mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013
Resent-From: "public-lod@w3.org<mailto:public-lod@w3.org>"
mailto:public-lod@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Open annotation is great. Really powerful and well designed ontology and
model. It doesn't replace fragment ids, however. Both are necessary:
frag ids to link with in simple use cases (e.g. HTML) and the other one
to annotate properly.
A bridge between them would be nice.
All the best,
Sebastia
Hi Sarven,
PDF has several big advantages:
- easy to produce by latex, because of good editor
- I can be sure of how it looks like in 99% of the PDF viewers
- there aren't any incentives for me to switch (personal benefits seem
marginal)
Let's be honest: HTML is not really perfect and it doesn'
>From some emails in this discussion the one thing that strikes me the
most is just that it seems that now the PDF has all of the sudden
became the format of choice for the realization of linked science. I
am right now struggling with a task as simple as getting citation data
from PDFs. I dont want
On 05/02/2013 06:55 PM, Norman Gray wrote:
I'm now thoroughly confused by this conversation.
Allow me to summarize: "Linked Science is brought to you by PDF" [1]
Talking about LaTeX...
On 2013 May 2, at 17:02, phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord)
wrote:
Sebastian Hellmann writes:
I'm now thoroughly confused by this conversation.
Talking about LaTeX...
On 2013 May 2, at 17:02, phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) wrote:
> Sebastian Hellmann writes:
>
>> Plus it is widely used and quite good for PDF typesetting.
>
> And sucks on the web, which is a shame. If I c
Hi Sebastien,
I use latex as well. Utopia is a pdf reader.
But utopia does support referencing bits of the pdf. As I understand, they
are moving to extending the open annotation ontology. I've cc'd Steve
Pettifer who created Utopia and who will known the ins-and-outs.
Currently, they store all t
Sebastian Hellmann writes:
> personally for me latex works best, because it has good editors and support
> for description logic formulas.
Haven't tried it with DL yet, but it's worth looking at MathJax, which
allows you to drop tex mathmode directly into HTML and have it all work
nicely.
I a
Hi Paul,
personally for me latex works best, because it has good editors and
support for description logic formulas. Plus it is widely used and quite
good for PDF typesetting.
It would be really swell to be able to address content within PDF with
identifiers. Did Utopia solve that problem?
Hi Kingsley,
Yes, there is a hook for urls. Also utopia does analysis of the pdf to find
resources that can be linked to.
Paul
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 5/2/13 6:55 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>
> Hi Sarven,
>
> Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current r
On 5/2/13 6:55 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
Hi Sarven,
Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current research
communication system as highlighted by the Force 11 manifesto
(http://www.force11.org/white_paper). This includes adopting
technologies that augment/extend (i.e. go beyond) existing
te
Hi Sarven,
Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current research communication
system as highlighted by the Force 11 manifesto (
http://www.force11.org/white_paper). This includes adopting technologies
that augment/extend (i.e. go beyond) existing technologies. For example,
making data easil
On 05/02/2013 12:23 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
I think Harry makes the point better than I can.
Paul, I have one last question for you if you don't mind, because it
seems like you are not interested in playing this out and I don't want
to bother you further: what does "beyond the PDF" mean to you?
On 05/02/2013 11:58 AM, Harry Halpin wrote:
Please read more careful from conference chairs like myself and Daniel
Schwabe why experiments including even "plain old" HTML have failed so
far unfortunately. Namely, broken links to images, lack of
convertibility to PDF needed for book printing, etc.
I think Harry makes the point better than I can.
Paul
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Harry Halpin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Sarven Capadisli wrote:
>
>> On 05/02/2013 08:12 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>>
>>> As you know, the community produces the semantic web dogfood site
>
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Sarven Capadisli wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 08:12 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>
>> As you know, the community produces the semantic web dogfood site
>> that contains Linked Data about the papers published by the
>> community's conferences and workshops. This refers to that.
On 05/02/2013 08:12 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
As you know, the community produces the semantic web dogfood site
that contains Linked Data about the papers published by the
community's conferences and workshops. This refers to that.
Thanks.
I thought my response and Carsten's addressed your email
Hi Sarven
As you know, the community produces the semantic web dogfood site that contains
Linked Data about the papers published by the community's conferences and
workshops. This refers to that.
I thought my response and Carsten's addressed your email with respect to LISC.
There was also a v
On 05/01/2013 09:44 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
Submissions must be in PDF formatted in the style of the Springer
Publications format for Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS). For
details on the LNCS style, see Springer's Author Instructions
(http://www.springer.com/computer/lncs?SGWID=0-164-6-7933
Call for Semantic Web in Use Track Papers
The 12th International Semantic Web Conference (ISWC 2013)
--
http://iswc2013.semanticweb.org/content/call-semantic-web-use-track-papers
* Abstracts: May 8, 2013
* Full Paper Submission: May 17, 2013
Semantic te
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