Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Durusau
Dan, A somewhat longer response with references to some of the discussion on the list yesterday. On 7/1/2010 6:30 AM, Dan Brickley wrote: Hi Patrick, snip I don't know what else to call the US Department of Defense mandating the use of SGML for defense contracts. That is certainly

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Ian Davis
Patrick, Without disputing your wider point that HTML hit the sweet point of usability and utility I will dispute the following: HTML 3.2 did have: 1) *A need perceived by users as needing to be met* Did users really know they wanted to link documents together to form a world wide web? I

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Durusau
Ian, On 7/2/2010 5:25 AM, Ian Davis wrote: Patrick, Without disputing your wider point that HTML hit the sweet point of usability and utility I will dispute the following: HTML 3.2 did have: 1) *A need perceived by users as needing to be met* Did users really know they wanted to

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Henry Story
On 2 Jul 2010, at 11:39, Patrick Durusau wrote: Good point. But the basic tools to handle data have been around for a long time. The web could only get going in the 90ies when 1) Windows 95 become (A GUI) widely deployed and relatively stable and had support for threads 2) modems

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Bob Ferris
Hi Ian, But now people are seeing some of the data being made available in browseable form e.g. at data.gov.uk or dbpedia and saying, I want to make one of those. I don't really believe that people would say after browsing dbpedia I want to make one of those. That's not the User Experience

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Durusau
Henry, On 7/2/2010 5:58 AM, Henry Story wrote: On 2 Jul 2010, at 11:39, Patrick Durusau wrote: Good point. But the basic tools to handle data have been around for a long time. The web could only get going in the 90ies when 1) Windows 95 become (A GUI) widely deployed and

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Durusau
Henry, On 7/2/2010 7:11 AM, Henry Story wrote: snip Well, I am not so sure that we need to rewire the brain of millions of people. so much as we need to have our technologies adapt to them. Yes? When it was discovered that the earth was round, the brains of everyone on earth had

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Bob Ferris wrote: Hi Ian, But now people are seeing some of the data being made available in browseable form e.g. at data.gov.uk or dbpedia and saying, I want to make one of those. I don't really believe that people would say after browsing dbpedia I want to make one of those.

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Bob Ferris wrote: Hi Ian, Am 02.07.2010 12:26, schrieb Ian Davis: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Bob Ferrisz...@elbklang.net wrote: Hi Ian, But now people are seeing some of the data being made available in browseable form e.g. at data.gov.uk or dbpedia and saying, I want to make one of

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-02 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Patrick Durusau wrote: Henry, On 7/2/2010 5:58 AM, Henry Story wrote: On 2 Jul 2010, at 11:39, Patrick Durusau wrote: Good point. But the basic tools to handle data have been around for a long time. The web could only get going in the 90ies when 1) Windows 95 become (A GUI)

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-01 Thread Dan Brickley
Hi Patrick, On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Patrick Durusau patr...@durusau.net wrote: Dan, Just a quick response to only one of the interesting points you raise: It's clear that many workshop participants were aware of the risk of destabilizing the core technologies just as we are gaining

Re: destabilizing core technologies: was Re: An RDF wishlist

2010-07-01 Thread Norman Gray
Dan and all, hello. On 2010 Jul 1, at 11:30, Dan Brickley wrote: Yes, you are right. It is fair and interesting to bring up this analogy and associated history. SGML even got a namecheck in the original announcement of the Web, [...] So, I think I'm holding an awkward position here: *