RE: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
It is quite material. Probably more important scientifically then all the rest. No one will care what we do if we give them nonsense answers, and worse tell them they are "sound and complete" :) [VK] From the point of view of completeness/soundness of the algorithm it doesn't matter... Of c

Re: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Well, we probably agree, but I don't want to let this one stand: On Mar 15, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Kashyap, Vipul wrote: Whether we "lied" to the KB is immaterial. It is quite material. Probably more important scientifically then all the rest. No one will care what we do if we give them nonsense

RE: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
It depends on how you define soundness and completeness... In this context, the "algorithm" is our query processing/data integration approach. The difference is that it is contextualized to the Integrated DB/KB. i.e. Our "algorithm" is sound/complete if for all queries Q posed on the integrated

BIONT/BioRDF Telcon

2007-03-15 Thread SUSIE . STEPHENS
Don't forget Monday's BIONT/BioRDF call. Please don't forget that the US is already on daylight saving. Call Details: * Date of Call: Monday March 19, 2007 * Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time * Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA) * Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France) * Dia

Re: updated bams instance style model

2007-03-15 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Hi Luis, I think I understand what you are doing with the properties. You have (in abstract syntax) Class(Subiculum_ventral_part_stratum_radiatum partial) ObjectProperty(Subiculum_ventral_part_stratum_radiatum-has range(unionOf(alpha2_subunit_nicotinic_receptor

Re: updated bams instance style model

2007-03-15 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Hi Luis, Thanks for this! I'm starting to have a look... In the following, owl:range should be owl:Class, I think. rdf:resource="#Subiculum_ventral_part_stratum_radiatum"/> The class named "_" isn't defined - was this in

RE: updated bams instance style model

2007-03-15 Thread Luis Marenco
Hi All, I helped Mihai Bota design the prototype BAMS xml protocol (for anatomical data) for the purpose of facilitating export of its contents into Ontology servers. (e.g.: QIS system. In very alpha version: http://os-qis.med.yale.edu ), There some vocabularies and simple ontologies can be autom

updated bams instance style model

2007-03-15 Thread John Barkley
I put the updated bams instance style model on the wiki page http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/HCLSIG_DemoHomePage_HCLSIG_Demo The new version modifies the old version according to Alan's suggestions from tuesday's f2f. jb

Re: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Wafik Farag
This is very interesting!! Alan I totally agree with you that your goal is definitely a good one to have. [Alan] > Put another way, the goal might be stated as wanting to get both *all* available answers to our questions, and *only* correct answers to our questions, and both the above contri

Re: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Soundness isn't the same, because we can lie (tell wrong facts) to the reasoner, which will (soundly) repeat back the lies. That's the sort of thing that happens when we use is_a instead of part_of in our ontologies. -Alan On Mar 15, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Kashyap, Vipul wrote: Just to cla

RE: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
> Just to clarify, because "sound and complete" is often used in a > different sense: I don't mean sound and complete in the sense it is > used in describing the properties of reasoning algorithms. I meant this > statement with respect to the quality of answers to questions asked > within our dom

Re: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Just to clarify, because "sound and complete" is often used in a different sense: I don't mean sound and complete in the sense it is used in describing the properties of reasoning algorithms. I meant this statement with respect to the quality of answers to questions asked within our domain of

RE: NeuronDB RDF and OWL

2007-03-15 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
Alsn, Am in agreement with the general argument presented in this e-mail and would like to propose a small experiment: 1. Let's do the data integration exercise with the current modeling approaches. 2. Repeat (1) with enriched modeling and descriptions. 3. For a set of queries, compare and cont