Re: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Lloyd McKenzie
Hi Tony, I don't think I'm following. There should be no need for custodian-specific ontologies. The sender never needs to identify a profile in the instance. Some senders may choose to specify a profile in the instance (or even 20 different profiles in the instance), but the sender isn't requi

Re: FHIR Ontology from Cecil Lynch

2014-12-21 Thread David Booth
On 12/21/2014 09:04 PM, Timothy W. Cook wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:08 PM, David Booth mailto:da...@dbooth.org>> wrote: But FYI, the reason Cecil presented his ontology was to allow us to compare and contrast the various approaches that different individuals have taken toward de

Re: FHIR Ontology from Cecil Lynch

2014-12-21 Thread Timothy W. Cook
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:08 PM, David Booth wrote: > > But FYI, the reason Cecil presented his ontology was to allow us to > compare and contrast the various approaches that different individuals have > taken toward developing a FHIR ontology. (Others were presented > previously.) The joint HL

Re: FHIR Ontology from Cecil Lynch

2014-12-21 Thread David Booth
Hi Kingsley, Good idea. But FYI, the reason Cecil presented his ontology was to allow us to compare and contrast the various approaches that different individuals have taken toward developing a FHIR ontology. (Others were presented previously.) The joint HL7-W3C group on RDF for Semantic In

Re: FHIR Ontology from Cecil Lynch

2014-12-21 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 12/19/14 3:27 PM, David Booth wrote: FYI, I have uploaded the FHIR ontology that Cecil Lynch discussed on Tuesday's call. It is available both in Turtle and RDF/XML, for those who would like to examine it in more detail or play with it: http://tinyurl.com/fhir-cecil-lynch-ttl http://ti

RE: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Anthony Mallia
Hi Lloyd, It will be worth more discussion on the ontology structures. At the profile instance level (the FHIR RDF message) the ontologies are probably associated with the custodian of the record – they assigned the identities (unique within their ontology). When you query and aggregate FHIR R

Re: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Lloyd McKenzie
Hi Tony, Every profile instance will be its own ontology and will import the "base" ontology it's built on top of. All instances will be bound to the base resource profile, but I think we should be cautious about importing referenced profiles. In FHIR you don't need to reference a profile in ord

RE: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Anthony Mallia
Lloyd, Each Profile ( or group of profiles) would be in its own ontology which might import the raw FHIR type ontology and restrict/extend it. This means that when we bind from the instance to the type, the type is in the named profile ontology (unambiguous). All importing in my approach is done

Re: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Lloyd McKenzie
Hi Peter, Yes, we'll definitely want to model the FHIR instance expression in such a way that it closes the world (or at least allow for a closed world form) in a similar manner to what I did for v3. -- Lloyd McKenzie +1-780-993-9501 Note: Unless explicitly

Re: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Lloyd McKenzie
Hi Vipul, Yes, we'll be creating two different forms. Instances will be expressed in RDF - and round-trippable between the JSON and XML syntaxes. At that level, all you'll have is data - no "knowledge". Profiles we will also convert to RDFS/OWL/something which will reflect things such as constr

Re: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread David Booth
Hi Matthias, You're touching on an important point that I think we have not yet articulated well enough. No *single* ontology will meet all of the diverse use cases that occur in healthcare and biomedical applications. That's obvious at one level, but less obvious -- though still true -- ev

RE: Minutes of last week's (Dec 2) HL7 ITS RDF Subgroup / W3C HCLS COI call -- Review of FHIR ontology approaches (cont.)

2014-12-21 Thread Anthony Mallia
Peter, The experiments with the separation of the Ontologies SNOMED, FHIR (Profile) and FHIR instance support the argument not to combine since you can make references across Ontologies without putting them into one. The OWL Import statement works very well so when you are selecting a SNOMED co