Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-14 Thread Eric Jain
Jonathan Rees wrote: This isn't academic. The Library of Congress trashes the http: scheme [1] in the same way that the LSID spec does - they say it's no good because URIs are locators (first answer) instead of "identifiers" (references; second answer). The justification for using http: for lite

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-13 Thread Jonathan Rees
On 10/12/07, Pat Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * If a network resource responds to a GET request with a 2xx > response, then that URI must be understood as referring to that > network resource. > > >Oddly, this rule doesn't tell you which network resource is > >referenced; it could be one tha

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-12 Thread Pat Hayes
As usual, I like your explanation very much. It borders on sophistry, but that doesn't bother me much, or won't until my next conversation with someone who's upset about the use of http: URIs to refer to things that aren't network resources. I've copied your email to the wiki page, reformatted

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-12 Thread Pat Hayes
On Oct 11, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Pat Hayes wrote: URI1 the first URI endpthe http endpoint identified by URI1 URI2 the URI to which endp redirects URI1 redir the http endpoint identified by URI2 potato the potato which (we all know) URI refers to Then the following should hold, accordin

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-12 Thread Jonathan Rees
I think we are in agreement here, but let me blab on to make sure. On 10/12/07, Xiaoshu Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jonathan, > > The httpRange-14 resolution [1] is about identification (of a thing > > by/to an http server), not reference. > "httpRange-14" is an *engineer* but not a *philos

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-12 Thread Xiaoshu Wang
Jonathan, The httpRange-14 resolution [1] is about identification (of a thing by/to an http server), not reference. "httpRange-14" is an *engineer* but not a *philosophical/ontological* solution because a server response code such as 200/303/404 etc. do not tell you more about what you alread

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Oct 11, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Pat Hayes wrote: URI1 the first URI endpthe http endpoint identified by URI1 URI2 the URI to which endp redirects URI1 redir the http endpoint identified by URI2 potato the potato which (we all know) URI refers to Then the following should hold, according

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Jonathan Rees
I wish I could not worry. Pat has put me at ease, so I've added his idea as a 5th option. But your implicit question is why do I care. The reason is that I want to win over various ornery parties to the application of the http: scheme to the semantic web, if it makes sense, or abandon it, if not.

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Jonathan Rees
As usual, I like your explanation very much. It borders on sophistry, but that doesn't bother me much, or won't until my next conversation with someone who's upset about the use of http: URIs to refer to things that aren't network resources. I've copied your email to the wiki page, reformatted a

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Pat Hayes
It could of course do this itself were it not for the unfortunate fact that, because of http-range-14, this would probably confuse you into thinking that it actually was the potato. Actually it wouldn't confuse you, of course. But it might confuse some poor dumb SemWeb reasoning engine.

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Pat Hayes
For URI fanatics only... For the purposes of my URI project I wanted to know just what IANA had to say about the use of http: URIs, so I did some poking around. I report (neutrally, I hope) on what I found here: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Recommenda

Re: RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Eric Jain
Jonathan Rees wrote: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Recommendations/StatusOfHttpScheme 4 :-)

RFC 2616 vs. AWWW

2007-10-11 Thread Jonathan Rees
For URI fanatics only... For the purposes of my URI project I wanted to know just what IANA had to say about the use of http: URIs, so I did some poking around. I report (neutrally, I hope) on what I found here: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Recommendati