HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread David Bennett
I have a proposal for an extension to javascript to enable browsers to access system idle information. Please give me feedback and suggestions on the proposal. Thanks! SUMMARY There currently is no way to detect the system idle state in the browser. For example this makes it difficult to deal

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Arve Bersvendsen
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:05:58 +0200, David Bennett d...@google.com wrote: I have a proposal for an extension to javascript to enable browsers to access system idle information. Please give me feedback and suggestions on the proposal. What exactly are the security and privacy implications

FW: BONDI 1.01 Approved Release

2009-09-17 Thread David Rogers
Apologies, I should have also forwarded this onto the WebApps group for your information. Thanks, David. From: public-device-apis-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-device-apis-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of David Rogers Sent: 15 September 2009 18:44 To: public-device-apis Subject: BONDI

Re: WebIDL roadmap?

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
Hey Cam, On Sep 17, 2009, at 01:56 , Cameron McCormack wrote: I’m open to suggestions on how to proceed. Splitting the spec into parallel 1.0 and 1.1 versions could be done, but not without a little effort. Based on what you've said I'd figure that the best might be to move it to LC soon,

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi David, On Sep 17, 2009, at 00:05 , David Bennett wrote: I have a proposal for an extension to javascript to enable browsers to access system idle information. Please give me feedback and suggestions on the proposal. Thanks! SUMMARY There currently is no way to detect the system idle

RE: [widgets] Draft Agenda for 17 September 2009 voice conf

2009-09-17 Thread SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW)
Regrets, I have a conflicting meeting. Best regards, Bryan Sullivan | ATT

Re: [widget-uri] Widget URI ABNF definition comments

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
Dear Jere, On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:49 , jere.kapy...@nokia.com jere.kapy...@nokia.com wrote: I'm a sucker for all things ABNF. :-) Well it's always good to have one of those around! /1/ Is it the intent that the 'opaque authority' corresponds exactly to the iauthority definition in the

Re: [widgets] WURI Review pre-LC review

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 3, 2009, at 16:18 , Marcos Caceres wrote: (additional typo found, at bottom of email) Also, widget:///secret-identities/marcosc/batman.foaf note the /// That's not a typo, it's a URI with no authority! -- Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/

Re: [widgets] WURI Review pre-LC review

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 3, 2009, at 14:25 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Many specifications in the Web stack depend on a context being defined that includes a current IRI. This is easily provided for documents retrieved over HTTP, or from the local file system, but is currently undefined for documents extracted from

[widgets] Draft Minutes from 17 September 2009 Voice Conf

2009-09-17 Thread Arthur Barstow
The draft minutes from the September 17 Widgets voice conference are available at the following and copied below: http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-wam-minutes.html WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-webapps mail list before 24 September

Re: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 15, 2009, at 21:12 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: I do not think they are so different. Frederick is correct in his interpretation of the intent of the specification: they are meant to be different. feature points to anything, we can still build the interpretation. But it is meant and

Re: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 7, 2009, at 15:11 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: is pretty simple, logical, and gets the job done for most use cases. The above is not the case e.g. for mailto: or tel:, specifically if you want to be more specific/selective with the additional arguments (a la subdomains). There is a

Re: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:00 , Marcin Hanclik wrote: As stated in my original email, one of the targets is that access is not an obstacle for DAP. The design was based on: - not restricting DAP's ability to define a security policy - enabling boolean access to URIs - having pattern matching

Re: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 10, 2009, at 15:00 , Frederick Hirsch wrote: Is the fundamental difference of feature and access the following: feature - API set expected to be possibly used access - network resource to be accessed. Exactly. I think that part of the confusion stems from the different uses of URIs.

RE: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Robin, I understand the 80/20 principle. It is about quality. I am however not sure that publication of the spec as is will result in the companies listed below to adjust to the correct meaning. BONDI has network-access which is different It was done, because there was no access when BONDI

Re: WARP: Example

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 9, 2009, at 16:06 , Breitschwerdt, Christian, VF-Group wrote: Wrt the latest draft of WARP, I noticed that the usage example of the access element is actually not very meaningful as the last access element with uri=* allows access to practically everywhere, thus turning the earlier

RE: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Robin, Herewith I reply to both your recent answers [1] and [2]. It is good for me to see that the intentions and scope of the WARP spec get clarified upon discussion. Schemes such as sms and tel are definitely out of scope for this simple approach. If so, then please add clear rules to

[WARP] Last Call comments (2)

2009-09-17 Thread Marcin Hanclik
What is the relation of access element to openURL from Widget interface specification? openURL examples use sms: and tel:. As discussed in another mail thread [1], the scope of WARP in terms of programmatic usage of URIs focuses on XHR. Should then openURL be incorporated there as well?

RE: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Robin, Please bear in mind that my proposal moves the access's @uri to param name=uri value=XXX/ and not to feature's @name. The distinction is clear. Thus there seems to be no confusion. Thanks, Marcin Marcin Hanclik ACCESS Systems Germany GmbH Tel: +49-208-8290-6452 | Fax:

[WARP] Last Call comments (3)

2009-09-17 Thread Marcin Hanclik
In section 1.3 [1] (non-normative) I suggest changing all the instances of word service to resource. Service could mean e.g. mail, telephony, messaging service etc. and WARP is about access to retrievable network resources. Thanks, Marcin [1]

RE: [WARP] Last Call comments (1)

2009-09-17 Thread Marcin Hanclik
Hi Robin, I am further trying to align the syntax and semantics of WARP. The design was based on: ... - enabling boolean access to URIs ... As in the previous emails, I assume that WARP should more underline the retrievable character of the network RESOURCE. Then mailto: should not be

BarCamp on Accessible Media @ Stanford on November 1

2009-09-17 Thread Arthur Barstow
Below is some information about a 1-day BarCamp-type gathering on accessible media to be held at Stanford on Sunday November 1 (precedes the W3C's annual TPAC meeting week [1]). The organizers of this event are Apple's David Singer and Stanford's John Foliot. If want to attend, you are

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Arve Bersvendsen ar...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:05:58 +0200, David Bennett d...@google.com wrote: I have a proposal for an extension to javascript to enable browsers to access system idle information. Please give me feedback and suggestions

Request for Reviewers: Section 7.4 of Web Security Context: User Interface Guidelines; deadline Sep 24

2009-09-17 Thread Arthur Barstow
All, The Web Security Context Working Group asked WebApps to review Section 7.4 of their Web Security Context Working Group spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#robustness-apis If you have any comments, please send to the following list by September 24 at the latest:

Re: Request for Reviewers: Section 7.4 of Web Security Context: User Interface Guidelines; deadline Sep 24

2009-09-17 Thread Arthur Barstow
The title of the spec is actually Web Security Context: User Interface Guidelines: http://www.w3.org/TR/wsc-ui/#robustness-api On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Barstow Art (Nokia-CIC/Boston) wrote: All, The Web Security Context Working Group asked WebApps to review Section 7.4 of their Web

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Arve Bersvendsen ar...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:05:58 +0200, David Bennett d...@google.com wrote: I have a proposal for an extension to javascript to enable browsers to

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Frederick Hirsch
isn't the mere knowledge of the level of activity on a device a possible privacy concern, and couldn't the pattern of activity offer a traffic analysis type opportunity? regards, Frederick Frederick Hirsch Nokia On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:35 PM, ext Jeremy Orlow wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009

Seeking Agenda Topics for WebApps' API meeting November 2-3

2009-09-17 Thread Arthur Barstow
All, Months ago, I reserved a room on November 2-3 so that WebApps' API group [API] could meet f2f during the W3C's annual TPAC meeting week (Nov 2-6 [TPAC]). I reserved a separate meeting room on those same days for WebApps' widgets group [Widgets]. I started an agenda for the Widget

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Jeremy Orlow
I don't believe that's what Frederick is talking about. Also, fuzzing and rounding don't apply to the proposal you just sent out since it's now just an event (rather than a timer based API). I think there is some merit to Jonas and Frederick's comments. We are leaking more information (but not a

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread David Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: I don't believe that's what Frederick is talking about. Also, fuzzing and rounding don't apply to the proposal you just sent out since it's now just an event (rather than a timer based API). Well, there is still a

Re: WebIDL roadmap?

2009-09-17 Thread Cameron McCormack
Cameron McCormack: I’m open to suggestions on how to proceed. Splitting the spec into parallel 1.0 and 1.1 versions could be done, but not without a little effort. Robin Berjon: Based on what you've said I'd figure that the best might be to move it to LC soon, as planned, and if it gets

Request to publish WebSimpleDatabase as FPWD

2009-09-17 Thread Nikunj R. Mehta
Art, Chaals, This is a request to publish the WebSimpleDatabase draft as FPWD. Please let me know if you need anything from me. The draft can be accessed from http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebSimpleDatabase/ Highlights of this draft are: Provides transactional access to a local, persistent

Re: HTML extension for system idle detection.

2009-09-17 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Jeremy Orlow wrote: As far as I know, there really aren't any. This was discussed on WhatWG (before being directed here) and IIRC there were no serious security or privacy concerns. The minimum resolution of the event makes attacks based on keystroke timing impossible. Some people suggested