Re: [XHR] RfC for Guidelines for Web Content Transformation Proxies; deadline 11 March

2010-02-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:22:37 +0100, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: If you have any comments, please send them to public-bpwg- comme...@w3.org by March 11 at the latest. Done: http://www.w3.org/mid/op.u70gq30u64w...@annevk-t60 -- Anne van Kesteren http://annevankesteren.nl/

Re: Rechartering WebApp WG

2010-02-12 Thread Scott Wilson
On 11 Feb 2010, at 01:10, Jonas Sicking wrote: I don't disagree with you on the implementation side (and Im happy to hear that you think it can be implemented - I'll keep my fingers crossed). On the author side, I honestly don't know how much of a difference it will make. I'm sure someone

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Anton Muhin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:40 +0100, Anton Muhin ant...@chromium.org wrote: Is it possible to allow caching for those cases?  Firefox caches those node lists for a long time (Maciej found the related bug

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:40 +0100, Anton Muhin ant...@chromium.org wrote: Is it possible to allow caching for those cases? Firefox caches those node lists for a long time (Maciej found the related bug

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:40 +0100, Anton Muhin ant...@chromium.org wrote: Is it possible to allow caching for those cases? Firefox caches those node lists for a long time

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:40 +0100, Anton Muhin ant...@chromium.org wrote: Is it possible to allow caching for those cases? Firefox caches those node lists for a long time (Maciej found the related bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140758). IE8 caches as well. Opera, Safari

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:51:03 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:40 +0100, Anton Muhin ant...@chromium.org wrote: Is it possible to allow caching

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Feb 10, 2010, at 20:35, John Gregg wrote: I agree that this is a good distinction, but I think even considering ambient notifications there is a question of how much interaction should be supported. NotifyOSD, for example, does not allow the user to take any action in response to a

Re: Window id - an idea to make multi page web application easier

2010-02-12 Thread Sebastian Hennebrueder
Maciej Stachowiak schrieb: On Jan 29, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Sebastian Hennebrueder wrote: Arthur Barstow schrieb: Sebastian, All, On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:54 AM, ext Sebastian Hennebrueder wrote: About half a year ago I came up with an idea to add a unique window id as request header to each

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:51:03 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:40 +0100, Anton Muhin

Issues with XML Dig Sig and XML Canonicalization; was Re: Rechartering WebApp WG

2010-02-12 Thread Marcos Caceres
(Dragging Henri Sivonen in, as he originally raised some of the issues below and I'm sure he would like to be involved. Also dragging Frederick Hirsch in, as he co-edited Widgets Dig Sig spec and co-editor of the XML Signature Syntax and Processing Second Edition) Scott Wilson wrote: On 11

Re: Issues with XML Dig Sig and XML Canonicalization

2010-02-12 Thread kuehne
Hi all, our goal in the OASIS DSS group is make the living with DSig as easy as possible ! That's why we made a spec to easily access a crypto server component by webservice and forget about signature standards, algorithms, validity dates ... My company build a open sourced server

Re: [widgets] Draft Agenda for 11 February 2010 voice conf

2010-02-12 Thread Cyril Concolato
Le 11/02/2010 17:33, Robin Berjon a écrit : Hi Cyril, On Feb 11, 2010, at 14:03 , Arthur Barstow wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, ext Cyril Concolato wrote: Dear Mr. Barstow, We can do so provided you agree to never again call me Mr. Barstow :-). Yeah, we wouldn't want to anger Mr.

Re: [widgets] Draft Agenda for 11 February 2010 voice conf

2010-02-12 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi Cyril, On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:56 AM, ext Cyril Concolato wrote: Le 11/02/2010 17:33, Robin Berjon a écrit : We discussed this on the call today and decided that it would be better if you were around while we discussed it; would it be possible for you to join our next call? I would be

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:13:57 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Is it really a lot of performance? Our developers are not that convinced. A patch that made the change in WebKit was measured as a 20% speedup on the Dromaeo

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread David Levin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: FWIW, Microsoft explicitly says notifications must be ignorable and don't persist. Notifications aren't modal and don't require user interaction, so users can freely ignore them. In Windows Vista® and later, notifications

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:13:57 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Is it really a lot of performance? Our developers are not that convinced. A patch that made the change

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: Also, what happens with garbage collection? Say some isolated piece of code does: x = document.getElementsByTagName(x) x.p = 2 ... and then later on some other piece of code does: y = document.getElementsByTagName(x) w(p in y)

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 2/12/10 8:05 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Is it really a lot of performance? Our developers are not that convinced. It depends on your use case. If you're actually using getElementsByTagName on a largish DOM, then the performance effect of not having to walk that DOM multiple times is in

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 2/12/10 10:09 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: It would be interesting to know what exactly that test is. Optimizing for benchmarks is not always useful :-) Point 1: Optimizing for benchmarks is sadly all that people report on. They don't even bother making up new benchmarks, so you can

Re: Allow to return same NodeList object for queries like getElementsByTagName, getElementsByClassName and getElementsByName

2010-02-12 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Test 1: ~4350ms Test 2: ~2100ms Test 3: ~80ms Test 4: ~10ms and in Opera 10.5 pre alpha: Test 1: ~520ms Test 2: ~3809ms Test 3: ~541ms Test 4: ~3828ms and in Safari 4: Test 1: ~260ms Test 2: ~1309ms Test 3: ~131ms (?) Test 4: ~20ms Given

Re: Window id - an idea to make multi page web application easier

2010-02-12 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Sebastian- Sebastian Hennebrueder wrote (on 2/12/10 8:11 AM): Maciej Stachowiak schrieb: On Jan 29, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Sebastian Hennebrueder wrote: Arthur Barstow schrieb: Sebastian, All, On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:54 AM, ext Sebastian Hennebrueder wrote: About half a year ago I came up

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread Drew Wilson
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 16:07, Jeremy Orlow wrote: As has been brought up repeatedly, growl and the other notification engines are used by a SMALL FRACTION of all web users. I suspect a fraction of a percent. Why are we

FYI: W3C Workshop on Future Standards for Model-Based User Interfaces

2010-02-12 Thread Arthur Barstow
Begin forwarded message: From: ext Ian Jacobs i...@w3.org Date: February 12, 2010 1:40:53 PM EST Cc: Dave Raggett d...@w3.org Subject: W3C Workshop: Future Standards for Model-Based User Interfaces Dear Advisory Committee Representative, I am pleased to announce an upcoming W3C Workshop:

Re: Notifications

2010-02-12 Thread John Gregg
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Drew Wilson atwil...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 16:07, Jeremy Orlow wrote: As has been brought up repeatedly, growl and the other notification engines are used by a SMALL

Please review LCWD of XML Signature 1.1 and Signature Properties; 2.0 draft information

2010-02-12 Thread Frederick Hirsch
The XML Security WG is asking WebApps WG for review of the XML Signature 1.1 and Signature Properties Last Call drafts. Though the formal deadline is March 18, we would prefer comments in February if possible. Some more information: * Signature 1.1 draft:

Re: Rechartering WebApp WG

2010-02-12 Thread Scott Wilson
On 11 Feb 2010, at 13:08, Arthur Barstow wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:32 AM, ext Robin Berjon wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 05:40 , Doug Schepers wrote: Scott Wilson wrote (on 2/9/10 10:32 AM): There are a couple of additional areas it would be useful to consider for future work in the

Re: Rechartering WebApp WG

2010-02-12 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Scott- I'm still confused as to what you're asking for as a chartered deliverable for Widgets. Like others, I am extremely reluctant to define any special functionality for Widgets, when it could be useful for Web applications at large. Let me try to break down some of what you are

FormData questions

2010-02-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
Hi WebApps fans! Working on implementing FormData and ran into a couple of questions. First of all, I assume that it is intended that a FromData object can be submitted several times. I.e. that the following code is ok: fd = new FormData; fd.append(name1, foo); xhr1 = new XMLHttpRequest;