Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Ms2ger
Hi all, The recent message to www-dom about DOM2HTML [1] made me realize that we still haven't added warnings to obsolete DOM specifications to hopefully avoid that people use them as a reference. I propose that we add a pointer to the contemporary specification to the following

Re: Colliding FileWriters

2012-01-23 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: myFileEntry.createWriter(function(mywriter) {  // write some data  mywriter.write(someblob);  // wait for success  mywriter.onwrite = function() {    

Re: Colliding FileWriters

2012-01-23 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Yes. How exactly it works is something that is being discussed in this very thread. The idea discussed so far is to have an explicit FileWriter.close() call which would release the lock. The lock would also be released

Re: CfC: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 24

2012-01-23 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:37:35 +0100, Glen Shires gshi...@google.com wrote: Some of the reasons we believe that the JavaScript Speech API is best suited for WebApps, instead of it's own working group, include: 1. Speech is likely to become a core API, like other WebApps deliverables such as File

Re: CfC: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 24

2012-01-23 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 1/23/12 12:17 PM, ext Charles McCathieNevile wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:37:35 +0100, Glen Shires gshi...@google.com wrote: 2. WebApps provides a balanced web-centric view for new JavaScript APIs. The XG group consisted of a large number of speech experts, but only a few with broad web

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Glenn Adams
I object to adding such notice until all of the proposed replacement specs reach REC status. G. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The recent message to www-dom about DOM2HTML [1] made me realize that we still haven't added warnings to obsolete DOM

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Ojan Vafai
I support adding warnings. As far as I know, all major browser vendors are using the more modern version of each of these specs for implementation work. That's certainly true for WebKit at least. It doesn't help anyone to look at outdated specs considering them to be the latest and greatest when

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: I object to adding such notice until all of the proposed replacement specs reach REC status. Why? The real world of modern spec use and authoring is no longer tightly tied to reaching REC (or even CR or PR), and the

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The recent message to www-dom about DOM2HTML [1] made me realize that we still haven't added warnings to obsolete DOM specifications to hopefully avoid that people use them as a reference. I propose that we add a

RE: CfC: to add Speech API to Charter; deadline January 24

2012-01-23 Thread Deborah Dahl
Hi Art, That's a very good point about IP commitments. I think it's likely to speed up the process of getting something standardized if companies don't have to make the broad IP commitments to all of a WG's activities that would be required if the work was entirely done within an existing WG. As

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Glenn Adams
I work in an industry where devices are certified against final specifications, some of which are mandated by laws and regulations. The current DOM-2 specs are still relevant with respect to these certification processes and regulations. I do not object to adding an informative, warning notice to

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: I work in an industry where devices are certified against final specifications, some of which are mandated by laws and regulations. The current DOM-2 specs are still relevant with respect to these certification processes and

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Glenn Adams
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com wrote: I work in an industry where devices are certified against final specifications, some of which are mandated by laws and regulations. The current

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Tab, Le 23 janv. 2012 à 22:03, Tab Atkins Jr. a écrit : We have repeated evidence that pretending these specs aren't obsolete and useless hurts web implementors and authors. We're targeting the web with our specs, so that's extremely relevant for us, more so than non-web industries dealing

Re: Testing Expectations (was: Speech Recognition and Text-to-Speech Javascript API - seeking feedback for eventual standardization)

2012-01-23 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:06:34 +0100, Doug Schepers schep...@w3.org wrote: As such, the creation of tests should not be left to CR... there should be a plan in place (e.g. a person, and a loose policy, like as we implement, we'll make tests and contribute them to the WG), and a person

[indexeddb] Missing TransactionInactiveError Exception type for count and index methods

2012-01-23 Thread Israel Hilerio
In looking at the count method in IDBObjectStore and IDBIndex we noticed that its signature doesn't throw a TransactionInactiveError when the transaction being used is inactive. We would like to add this to the spec. In addition, the index method in IDBObjectStore uses InvalidStateError to

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Ms2ger wrote: The recent message to www-dom about DOM2HTML [1] made me realize that we still haven't added warnings to obsolete DOM specifications to hopefully avoid that people use them as a reference. If you want to say more than that the specifications are no longer being maintained and

Re: [indexeddb] Missing TransactionInactiveError Exception type for count and index methods

2012-01-23 Thread Joshua Bell
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.comwrote: In looking at the count method in IDBObjectStore and IDBIndex we noticed that its signature doesn't throw a TransactionInactiveError when the transaction being used is inactive. We would like to add this to the spec.

Re: [Bug 15434] New: [IndexedDB] Detail steps for assigning a key to a value

2012-01-23 Thread Joshua Bell
There's another edge case here - what happens on a put (etc) request to an object store with a key generator when the object store's key path does not yield a value, yet the algorithm below exits without changing the value. Sample: store = db.createObjectStore(my-store, {keyPath: a.b,

[Bug 14404] Version of an IDBDatabase from an aborted version change transaction needs to be specified

2012-01-23 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14404 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, Glenn Adams wrote: I object to adding such notice until all of the proposed replacement specs reach REC status. I object to REC status, and support implementing Ms2ger's proposal forthwith. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL

Re: [indexeddb] Missing TransactionInactiveError Exception type for count and index methods

2012-01-23 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Joshua Bell jsb...@chromium.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Israel Hilerio isra...@microsoft.com wrote: In looking at the count method in IDBObjectStore and IDBIndex we noticed that its signature doesn't throw a TransactionInactiveError when the

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Glenn Adams
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Ms2ger wrote:I propose that we add a pointer to the contemporary specification to the following specifications: ... * DOM 2 Style (CSSOM) * DOM 2 Traversal and Range (DOM4) ... As far as I am aware, CSSOM is

Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

2012-01-23 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com wrote: I propose that we add a pointer to the contemporary specification to the following specifications: * DOM 2 Core (DOM4) * DOM 2 Views (HTML) * DOM 2 Events (D3E) * DOM 2 Style (CSSOM) * DOM 2 Traversal and Range (DOM4) * DOM