Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Tue, 08 May 2012 07:00:41 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 7 May 2012, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: If you look at the two alternatives, one (the is attribute) asks the authors to make the right choice. The other asks the component developers to make the right choice. In the

Re: [websockets] Moving Web Sockets back to LCWD; is 15210 a showstopper?

2012-05-08 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
I think it would be reasonable to defer the feature requested in 15210 to a future version of Web Sockets API. It would also be reasonable to include it if anyone feels strongly. Was a reason cited for why 15210 should be considered critical? I could not find one in the minutes. Cheers,

Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: There will certainly be people who don't care about accessibility and don't do anything at all (just as there are for simple things like alt attributes), and others who care but get it wrong, but aligning with the

Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Tue, 08 May 2012 10:11:03 +0200, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: There will certainly be people who don't care about accessibility and don't do anything at all (just as there are for simple things

Re: [websockets] Moving Web Sockets back to LCWD; is 15210 a showstopper?

2012-05-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 5/8/12 3:56 AM, ext Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I think it would be reasonable to defer the feature requested in 15210 to a future version of Web Sockets API. It would also be reasonable to include it if anyone feels strongly. Was a reason cited for why 15210 should be considered critical? I

Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Scott González
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: For the same reason that jQuery plugins are authored by a significantly smaller set of people than jQuery users. Significantly smaller, but not necessarily significantly more capable. *Theoretically*, every jQuery

Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Scott González scott.gonza...@gmail.com wrote: Accessibility is hard. What makes it hard here is that you have to implement everything from scratch. You have to implement keyboard support, mapping to the accessibility API (WAI-ARIA), etc. Given that those code

[Bug 14404] Version of an IDBDatabase from an aborted version change transaction needs to be specified

2012-05-08 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14404 Eliot Graff eliot...@microsoft.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED

CfC: publish LCWD of Indexed Database; deadline May 15

2012-05-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
As discussed during last week's f2f meeting [Mins], IDB bug 14404 was the last remaining bug blocking a LCWD of the spec and the other remaining bugs are considered editorial and not blockers for LCWD [Bugz]. Bug 1404 is now closed so this is a Call for Consensus to publish a LCWD of IDB using

Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Scott González scott.gonza...@gmail.com wrote: Accessibility is hard. What makes it hard here is that you have to implement everything from scratch. You have to implement keyboard

RfC: 2 LCWDs Performance Timeline and User Timing; deadline June 7

2012-05-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
WebApps has been asked to review and submit comments for two LCWDs by the Web Performance WG: 1. Performance Timeline http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-performance-timeline-20120508/. This new LCWD version takes into account the High Resolution Time specification, removes string constants

Re: CfC: publish LCWD of Indexed Database; deadline May 15

2012-05-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
I approve!! / Jonas On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: As discussed during last week's f2f meeting [Mins], IDB bug 14404 was the last remaining bug blocking a LCWD of the spec and the other remaining bugs are considered editorial and not blockers for

Re: Draft Minutes: 1 May 2012 f2f meeting

2012-05-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 5/8/12 1:11 PM, ext Arthur Barstow wrote: Greg, Tantek, All - I think there is an error in this part of the draft Web Intents minutes: [[ http://www.w3.org/2012/05/01-webapps-minutes.html#item06 tantek:do you know about opendoc and ola? ... systems for applications doing this. Have you

Re: Draft Minutes: 1 May 2012 f2f meeting

2012-05-08 Thread Josh Soref
Art is correct. I'll incorporate that fix today when I prepare minutes. - Original Message - From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.bars...@nokia.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 01:23 PM To: public-webapps public-webapps@w3.org; Tantek Çelik tan...@cs.stanford.edu; Greg Billock

Re: Draft Minutes: 1 May 2012 f2f meeting

2012-05-08 Thread Greg Billock
Looks right to me. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: On 5/8/12 1:11 PM, ext Arthur Barstow wrote: Greg, Tantek, All - I think there is an error in this part of the draft Web Intents minutes: [[

[admin] short-names and 1-liners for our 7 new FPWDs

2012-05-08 Thread Arthur Barstow
All - assuming the 7 CfCs I started on May 2 to publish new FPWDs passes, for each FPWD I will need to request a short-name as well as provided a 1-liner description when the spec is published. The short-name is the last part of the URI used in /TR/; f.ex. workers is the short-name for Web

Re: [admin] short-names and 1-liners for our 7 new FPWDs

2012-05-08 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: 7. URL; http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/url/raw-file/tip/Overview.html short-name = url 1-liner = Defines a URL API and related algorithms Defines URL parsing, resolving, and canonicalizing as well as the URL API is more

[Bug 16999] New: Clarify JS type for empty close reason

2012-05-08 Thread bugzilla
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16999 Summary: Clarify JS type for empty close reason Product: WebAppsWG Version: unspecified Platform: All OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P2

Re: [EventSource] Question on event type

2012-05-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Bryan Sullivan wrote: OK, maybe I'm getting closer to understanding this. From your example, when the event field is set, it's not a message event that is dispatched but an event of type event name, so in order to see those events, I need to use the addEventListener

Re: [websockets] Moving Web Sockets back to LCWD; is 15210 a showstopper?

2012-05-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
The setTimeout comment in the w3 tracker is a pretty good reason. I strongly agree with Olli Pettay's comment. onemptybuffer would bring sockets in line with the server-side ondrain event that we see in node.js and other socket APIs. I disagree with Hixie's rationale that we need to give

Re: [EventSource] Is the field name event supported in current browsers?

2012-05-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: Ian: Step 3 of [2] refers to the event type as the event name, and step 4 refers to it as the type. This is confusing, since it looks like it's referring to two different things. The DOM specs consistently refer to it as type, consistent with the

Adding a paint event to HTMLElement to support Web Components / Shadow DOM

2012-05-08 Thread
Imagine you want to make a Web Component that draws a graph Imagine that you'd like the graph to show more data if it's larger and less if it's smaller. In other words, you don't want it to scale the data. Imagine you set that component's size to width: 100%; height: 100% to scale to its container

Re: Adding a paint event to HTMLElement to support Web Components / Shadow DOM

2012-05-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
I think we've got request animation frame for the invisible content scenario. For the height/width/resolution, CSS selectors and SVG are probably the easier case. Canvas however, that's not so easy. -Charles On May 8, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Gregg Tavares (勤) g...@google.com wrote: Imagine you

Re: Adding a paint event to HTMLElement to support Web Components / Shadow DOM

2012-05-08 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 5/8/12 8:30 PM, Gregg Tavares (勤) wrote: AFAICT the resize event only fires on window. There have been proposals over the years to change that. Imagine a relatively heavy to repaint WebComponent like one that draws an representation of an audio wave. If that component is hidden behind

RE: CfC: publish LCWD of Indexed Database; deadline May 15

2012-05-08 Thread Israel Hilerio
We approve too! Israel On Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:45 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: I approve!! / Jonas On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: As discussed during last week's f2f meeting [Mins], IDB bug 14404 was the last remaining bug blocking a LCWD

Re: [webcomponents] Custom Elements Spec

2012-05-08 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Anne van Kesteren wrote: I don't think that's really the argument. The argument is about whether the long tail is going to be accessible (even if only a little bit) or not at all. That is, do we get select is=restricted-color-pickeroption value=Redoption value=Blue/select styled as a

Re: Adding a paint event to HTMLElement to support Web Components / Shadow DOM

2012-05-08 Thread
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 5/8/12 8:30 PM, Gregg Tavares (勤) wrote: AFAICT the resize event only fires on window. There have been proposals over the years to change that. Imagine a relatively heavy to repaint WebComponent like one that draws

Re: Adding a paint event to HTMLElement to support Web Components / Shadow DOM

2012-05-08 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 5/9/12 1:20 AM, Gregg Tavares (勤) wrote: I don't think I understand how requestAnimationFrame would work here. Maybe my example was poor. I'm not suggesting a live constantly updating audio wave. Instead I'm suggesting a static WebComponent that is heavy to render. For example the wave