Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-14 Thread Kinuko Yasuda
Thanks for all the feedbacks so far. Now that the thread became quieter, I hope we're getting agreed, at least on the basic concept. To make the points clearer, let me summarize what is being proposed (and what is not) with the quota API: - To have unified, shared quotas between different

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-14 Thread Kinuko Yasuda
Some other topics I have not (explicitly) responded yet: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:32 PM, João Eiras joao.ei...@gmail.com wrote: interface StorageInfo { Should probably be QuotaInfo or even QuotaManager ? Storage can and will be confused with Web Storage. I have no strong opinion here,

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-09 Thread Eric Uhrhane
2011/2/7 Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org: On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: If we want to make the quota API treat each API differently this would make a lot sense, but I'm not fully

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-07 Thread Kinuko Yasuda
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: If we want to make the quota API treat each API differently this would make a lot sense, but I'm not fully convinced by the idea. Putting aside the

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/4/2011 2:29 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: 2011/2/4 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com mailto:ife...@google.com For instance, if a user has been using a site for months, uses it frequently, and the site hits its 5GB limit but there's still 300GB free on the drive, perhaps we just give the

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@visc.us wrote: I rather like the prompt in the new FF builds; it's similar to the prompt on Mobile Safari; when you get into the site, it asks you if you're ok storing data, and it allows you to specify a quota stepping. FF does a great

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: If we want to make the quota API treat each API differently this would make a lot sense, but I'm not fully convinced by the idea. Putting aside the localStorage for now, do you still see significant issues in having a

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/4/2011 1:30 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@visc.us wrote: The FileSystem API is a tricky thing. indexedDB is more straightforward. I'd be fine with exempting localStorage from API and just lock it at 5MB. It's tricky anyway since it's a

Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Kinuko Yasuda
Hi, Back then there has been a long thread [1] about how/whether we want to allow web apps to request quotas for IndexedDB, or for any of the offline storages (i.e. IndexedDB, FileSystem, appCache, localStorage and SQL DB). In short there were two topics discussed:   1) introducing (at least)

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread João Eiras
Howdy.   interface StorageInfo { Should probably be QuotaInfo or even QuotaManager ? Storage can and will be confused with Web Storage.    // storage type     const unsigned short TEMPORARY = 0;     const unsigned short PERSISTENT = 1; Only two values seem not enough for me and I disagre

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Eric Uhrhane
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:32 AM, João Eiras joao.ei...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy.   interface StorageInfo { Should probably be QuotaInfo or even QuotaManager ? Storage can and will be confused with Web Storage.    // storage type     const unsigned short TEMPORARY = 0;     const unsigned

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread João Eiras
Should probably be QuotaInfo or even QuotaManager ? Storage can and will be confused with Web Storage.    // storage type     const unsigned short TEMPORARY = 0;     const unsigned short PERSISTENT = 1; Only two values seem not enough for me and I disagre with the nomenclature. Would be

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Eric Uhrhane
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, João Eiras joao.ei...@gmail.com wrote: Should probably be QuotaInfo or even QuotaManager ? Storage can and will be confused with Web Storage.    // storage type     const unsigned short TEMPORARY = 0;     const unsigned short PERSISTENT = 1; Only two values

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: Hi, Back then there has been a long thread [1] about how/whether we want to allow web apps to request quotas for IndexedDB, or for any of the offline storages (i.e. IndexedDB, FileSystem, appCache, localStorage and SQL

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Kinuko Yasuda kin...@chromium.org wrote: interface StorageInfo { // storage type const unsigned short TEMPORARY = 0; const unsigned short PERSISTENT = 1; // To query how much storage is available and currently in use. void

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread João Eiras
Before storing X amount of data with an API, the code requests enough space for the storage area that API covers. That's how I understand the use case. Then it's up to the user agent to communicate that appropriately to the user, if applicable. Why would we need to have the app specify I want

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Shawn Wilsher
On 2/3/2011 3:59 PM, João Eiras wrote: Because the user agent needs to differentiate which api will use each quota. But why does a user agent need to do that? It seems like that is adding unnecessary complication to the API. Cheers, Shawn smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:59 PM, João Eiras joao.ei...@gmail.com wrote: Before storing X amount of data with an API, the code requests enough space for the storage area that API covers. That's how I understand the use case. Then it's up to the user agent to communicate that appropriately to

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread João Eiras
On , Shawn Wilsher sdwi...@mozilla.com wrote: On 2/3/2011 3:59 PM, João Eiras wrote: Because the user agent needs to differentiate which api will use each quota. But why does a user agent need to do that? It seems like that is adding unnecessary complication to the API. Or adding

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Shawn Wilsher
On 2/3/2011 4:35 PM, João Eiras wrote: Or adding unnecessary complication to the implementation. I'm not looking to make my job easier (as an implementer); I'm looking to make it easy to use. At least with IndexedDB, we generally choose the option that is easier for the consumer as long as it

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
I rather like the prompt in the new FF builds; it's similar to the prompt on Mobile Safari; when you get into the site, it asks you if you're ok storing data, and it allows you to specify a quota stepping. FF does a great job on applicationCache + quota in that area. The FileSystem API is a

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Kinuko Yasuda
Thanks for all of your feedbacks. So it seems like one of the main discussion topic is whether we want to have shared quota between multiple storage mechanisms (per origin, per persistent/temporary storage class) or not. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread イアンフェッティ
I'm not sure FileSystem is necessarily any trickier from a user's perspective -- it's all storage that is taking up space on my HD (at least, for now the filesystem is just a directory under the user's profile in Chrome). I think it fits fine in the unified quota model. (And FWIW we are looking at

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/3/2011 9:39 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I'm not sure FileSystem is necessarily any trickier from a user's perspective -- it's all storage that is taking up space on my HD (at least, for now the filesystem is just a directory under the user's profile in Chrome). I think it fits fine in

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread イアンフェッティ
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@visc.us wrote: On 2/3/2011 9:39 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I'm not sure FileSystem is necessarily any trickier from a user's perspective -- it's all storage that is taking up space on my HD (at least, for now the filesystem is

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/3/2011 10:36 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@visc.us mailto:ch...@visc.us wrote: On 2/3/2011 9:39 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I'm not sure FileSystem is necessarily any trickier from a user's perspective --