Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Not only autospawning, but all PA daemon startup of any kind appears impossible with PA trunk

2010-05-31 Thread Nix
Things get clearer. (Sorry for the delay: jobhunting hell.) On 17 May 2010, Tanu Kaskinen told this: That seemed strange, because the X11 properties are set automatically, and the user probably usually doesn't know anything about the existence of the X11 properties. That means

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Not only autospawning, but all PA daemon startup of any kind appears impossible with PA trunk

2010-05-16 Thread Nix
On 16 May 2010, Colin Guthrie said: 'Twas brillig, and Tanu Kaskinen at 16/05/10 13:11 did gyre and gimble: If I got the wrong impression and you were aware of this already, then I'd like to hear about concrete situations where it does make sense to configure the server address in client.conf

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Not only autospawning, but all PA daemon startup of any kind appears impossible with PA trunk

2010-05-16 Thread Nix
On 16 May 2010, Tanu Kaskinen spake thusly: On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 22:43 +0100, Nix wrote: But I'm getting this when I try to *start* the user-configured server on that machine, via e.g. start-pulseaudio-x11! With this in place, how are you supposed to start PA at all? (I'm not even

[pulseaudio-discuss] Not only autospawning, but all PA daemon startup of any kind appears impossible with PA trunk

2010-05-15 Thread Nix
440 /home/nix% /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start N: main.c: User-configured server at sound.srvr.nix, not autospawning. Shouldn't this check autospawn_fd, or *something* initialized only when autospawning? Or am I missing something? (I suspect I must

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Not only autospawning, but all PA daemon startup of any kind appears impossible with PA trunk

2010-05-15 Thread Nix
On 15 May 2010, Tanu Kaskinen uttered the following: On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 15:38 +0100, Nix wrote: Obviously I'm missing something, but this hunk of this change: snip Proof: n...@mutilate 440 /home/nix% /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start N: main.c: User-configured server at sound.srvr.nix

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Does pulseaudio require alsa/oss

2010-04-24 Thread Nix
On 23 Apr 2010, Colin Guthrie told this: 'Twas brillig, and Nix at 23/04/10 00:43 did gyre and gimble: Fedora, at least, doesn't use ck-launch-session: it uses ck-xinit-session, which is not in upstream console-kit at all; it's in the RH-specific xinit package. Can you say which pacakge

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Does pulseaudio require alsa/oss

2010-04-22 Thread Nix
On 22 Apr 2010, John Frankish uttered the following: This is fixed by adding: ck-launch-session to .xsession, as in $ cat .xsession .. dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session ck-launch-session Which has no manpage and no support for --help (it tries to exec '--help', but doesn't emit

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-19 Thread Nix
On 19 Apr 2010, Lennart Poettering outgrape: On Fri, 16.04.10 21:02, Jan Braun (janbr...@gmx.de) wrote: xterms ssh'd to otheru...@localhost . Why would you ssh to the local machine? 'cos it forwards your X cookie and authentication agent connection for you. (Of course you can do the X cookie

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] pulse: Fix invalid buffer pointer return value

2010-04-19 Thread Nix
On 18 Apr 2010, David Henningsson spake thusly: Both of them were tested by Daniel, and AFAIK neither have been applied upstream. These are both alsa-plugin things, right? In that case, they can't fix the hangs I reported back in February, since these are hangs experienced even --- especially

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Frequent trivially-reproducible client hangs with stable-queue PA

2010-02-23 Thread Nix
On 22 Feb 2010, Paul Menzel stated: Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 18:50 + schrieb Nix: Ever since I started using PA 0.9.21 (and possibly before: it's been long enough that my memory has faded), lots of applications have started hanging hard when fast-forwarded/rewound. This includes MPD

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Frequent trivially-reproducible client hangs with stable-queue PA

2010-02-23 Thread Nix
of fast-forwards/rewinds, nothing is audible but stuttering. I've tried to record it, but parec has no man page and it is not obvious how to use it, e.g.: n...@mutilate 33 /home/nix% parec --device=Monitor of Internal Audio Analog Stereo --file-format=flac --record --verbose foo.flac Failed to open

[pulseaudio-discuss] Frequent trivially-reproducible client hangs with stable-queue PA

2010-02-22 Thread Nix
Ever since I started using PA 0.9.21 (and possibly before: it's been long enough that my memory has faded), lots of applications have started hanging hard when fast-forwarded/rewound. This includes MPD and every single video player I own capable of fullscreen playback. As you might imagine, having

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system-wide daemon

2010-02-09 Thread Nix
On 9 Feb 2010, olin verbalised: OK, so that's X11. I cannot figure out what PA's mechanism for this is. I sort of get the sense, from this per-user-login server model that PA has the horrible one-persone/one-computer model of the person at the console is the person using the computer, which

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] paplay freezes

2010-01-28 Thread Nix
On 28 Jan 2010, Colin Guthrie stated: 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 23/01/10 13:38 did gyre and gimble: Seems that since using stable-queue my paplay just freezes. It seems to be polling happily but is stuck in the DRAINED state. For references, this appears to be a client-side bug.

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] weirdly choppy sound with remote ALSA plugin, only if pavucontrol is not running (!)

2010-01-23 Thread Nix
On 22 Jan 2010, Colin Guthrie said: Could you also try this one (on top of the previous one): http://git.0pointer.de/?p=pulseaudio.git;a=patch;h=84782f24c5f43456430c796bd12f9face24f0573 Actually, it wuold probably be best to use the stable-queue branch as this contains the recommended patches

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] weirdly choppy sound with remote ALSA plugin, only if pavucontrol is not running (!)

2010-01-22 Thread Nix
On 14 Jan 2010, Lennart Poettering outgrape: On Sat, 09.01.10 23:06, Nix (n...@esperi.org.uk) wrote: (symptoms also observed with qemu, world of goo and scorched3d, yes I tried to run *that* over the network, I'm a glutton for punishment). This only happens with a remote connection

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] weirdly choppy sound with remote ALSA plugin

2010-01-10 Thread Nix
On 9 Jan 2010, Daniel Chen said: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Nix n...@esperi.org.uk wrote: No it doesn't, not consistently anyway: remote qemu just started chopping even though pavucontrol was running. The diagnosis in Debian bug 533039 looks accurate to me: the plugin is disconnecting

[pulseaudio-discuss] weirdly choppy sound with remote ALSA plugin, only if pavucontrol is not running (!)

2010-01-09 Thread Nix
I've just tried to use the PulseAudio ALSA plugin for the first time (I thought it might be a better way to do remote audio than relying on everything supporting bloody esound, and alas some things just don't do anything else). Unfortunately the results are not pretty. With no other clients

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] weirdly choppy sound with remote ALSA plugin

2010-01-09 Thread Nix
On 9 Jan 2010, n...@esperi.org.uk uttered the following: More oddly yet, if I start pavucontrol, whether locally or remotely, before the remote application, the entire session is flawless: if I start it while the choppy playback is going on, the choppiness vanishes. No it doesn't, not

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] PulseAudio 0.9.21

2009-11-30 Thread Nix
On 30 Nov 2009, Colin Guthrie told this: 'Twas brillig, and Nix at 29/11/09 21:12 did gyre and gimble: A full clone shows me the tag, but a 'git pull' or 'git remote update origin' refuses to download it. The tag is made form the stable-queue branch so chances are you don't see it because

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] PulseAudio 0.9.21

2009-11-29 Thread Nix
On 29 Nov 2009, Colin Guthrie stated: 'Twas brillig, and Nix at 28/11/09 14:29 did gyre and gimble: On 23 Nov 2009, Lennart Poettering told this: Mostly bug fixes, and the device manager module Colin worked on. This doesn't appear to have any git branches or tags associated with it, nor any

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] PulseAudio 0.9.21

2009-11-28 Thread Nix
On 23 Nov 2009, Lennart Poettering told this: Mostly bug fixes, and the device manager module Colin worked on. This doesn't appear to have any git branches or tags associated with it, nor any git comments indicating which commit might be the right one to work from.

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] No startup detection with module-udev-detect in PulseAudio 0.9.18

2009-10-02 Thread Nix
On 2 Oct 2009, Lennart Poettering said: Also, for some weird reason Marco modifies the default udev rules heavily. Which is really something he shouldn't do. He doesn't use the default rules at all (thinks they're ugly or something, there's much too much on this on the Debian BTS). So he has to

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] Don't refuse to start on systems using GNU stow, graft, STORE et al

2009-09-30 Thread Nix
On 29 Sep 2009, Lennart Poettering outgrape: (Btw, I use stow myself. and if configure detects a /usr/local/stow directory it will install itself there automatically) That's why I thought you'd probably apply it :) for a 'house of cards built on symlinks' very few changes are needed: something

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] Don't refuse to start on systems using GNU stow, graft, STORE et al

2009-09-30 Thread Nix
On 27 Sep 2009, Colin Guthrie uttered the following: If you really, really want to cock about with the real location after install, then just use unionfs mounts rather than a house of cards built on symlinks. Three thousand plus unionfs mounts? That strikes me as, well, insane :) there are

[pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] Don't refuse to start on systems using GNU stow, graft, STORE et al

2009-09-26 Thread Nix
There are multiple package management systems out there which implement packages using symlinks. The recent (otherwise useful) check to ensure that a re-executed pulseaudio is actually reexecuting itself unfortunately breaks in the presence of all these packaging systems, because PA_BINARY refers

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Working with PA and jack

2009-07-12 Thread Nix
On 13 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering verbalised: On Sat, 13.06.09 17:07, Nix (n...@esperi.org.uk) wrote: Plus: anything can make function calls, but personally after one experience too many with libdbus killing my entire application without warning or notice because it disliked something I'd

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Working with PA and jack

2009-06-13 Thread Nix
On 27 May 2009, Lennart Poettering outgrape: On Thu, 28.05.09 04:53, Patrick Shirkey (pshir...@boosthardware.com) wrote: I think it is useful that you have the internal api calls so dbus is not a requirement for communicating with PA. I am sorry to inform you that eventually PA will use

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Working with PA and jack

2009-06-13 Thread Nix
On 7 Jun 2009, Lennart Poettering said: Nothing is future proof. I never made guarantees of API/ABI stability, nor will ever make any. In that case the likelihood of PA ever becoming a serious infrastructural component are nil. Imagine the X or libc developers said the same thing!

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Pulse audio and NFS home directories.

2009-06-13 Thread Nix
On 13 May 2009, Jason Taylor spake thusly: shouldn't the directory be ~/.config/pulseaudio now ? http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html That's very non-Unixlike. Unix tradition has always been that if you need multiple per-user configuration files, you put them

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [PACKAGERS] Patches for 0.9.15

2009-06-13 Thread Nix
On 10 Jun 2009, Felipe Contreras stated: What do you propose instead? Have a $version-stable branch for each and every release? That doesn't scale, the repository will be polluted with branches that nobody use any more. Yes, exactly. Branches are (very) cheap. (In any case, someone might

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] a simple way to disable pa

2008-12-22 Thread Nix
On 21 Dec 2008, Colin Guthrie verbalised: Per-user mode is usually the way to go and should be the default on Ubunutu (as far as i know). This mode allows proper integration info the console-kit for knowing which user is active (e.g. if you loging 1 user at a time) and thus grants and

[pulseaudio-discuss] A possibly interesting PA-related kernel patch

2008-10-13 Thread Nix
If anyone's interested in getting glitch-free playback working on hardware too old to have an HPET, you too can force the kernel to use your TSC as a high-res timer source with Jeff Hansen's patch here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/10/235 It's probably best used only on a system that you know

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] esound auth-ip-acl fix

2008-10-02 Thread Nix
On 29 Sep 2008, Lennart Poettering told this: On Fri, 26.09.08 19:29, Nix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i) the alsa source and sink don't work together: if I try I get -EBUSY on the second one to initialize, every time. Maybe my SBLive card is just too cheap and old, but this does mean module

[pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] esound auth-ip-acl fix (was Re: anyone else seeing this failure?)

2008-09-26 Thread Nix
On 26 Sep 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following: Freshly-compiled PA 0.9.12: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 167 /home/nix% start-pulseaudio-x11 I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE. I: caps.c: Dropping root priviliges. I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] pulseaudio 0.9.8 still unhappy with ALSA (for different reasons?)

2007-11-25 Thread Nix
On 25 Nov 2007, Lennart Poettering uttered the following: On Fri, 23.11.07 00:00, Nix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The error from ALSA has changed but is still, well... an error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 90 /home/nix% /usr/bin/pulseaudio -vv --daemonize=no pulseaudio: modules/module-alsa-sink.c:177

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] [PATCH] obvious typo prevents PolicyKit from being detected

2007-11-25 Thread Nix
On 25 Nov 2007, Lennart Poettering told this: On Thu, 22.11.07 22:29, Nix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How did this ever work? (you probably want to point out somewhere that this needs the unreleased PolicyKit 0.7 as well.) No it doesn't need 0.7. The whole point of this check

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] pulseaudio with kernel 2.6.23 (and earlier?) insists on using OSS, not ALSA

2007-11-21 Thread Nix
On 20 Nov 2007, Lennart Poettering told this: On Sun, 04.11.07 12:16, Nix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: hades# /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no E: module-alsa-sink.c: Failed to set hardware parameters: Inappropriate ioctl for device E: module.c: Failed to load module module-alsa-sink